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<DIV><FONT size=2>No, I wasn't able to get out of the office, as I
recall.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I did some checking online, including taking a gander at the
Chicago Climate Exchange website.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>From what I found, the winners are major polluters and
middlemen/brokers, and possibly corporate offset providers. For the most part,
the startup costs and commissions taken by the middlemen will keep many, smaller
prospective offsetters out of the game.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I have a feeling there will be a lot of self-congratulating
and back patting over what they've "done" for the environment, without having
done much, if anything.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The price of credits has dropped like a rock over the last 180
days. They've gone from a high of over $3 in April and July/August to under $2
in November, with a slight rebound to just over $2 now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Yet, some places are selling these credits for $5+ just
so someone can feel good about driving that Escalade to their local
organic grocery for Fair Trade coffee and organic jicama.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>What a racket, I wish I'd thought of it. Then I could have
kept my '65 T-Bird and ditched my '06 Hyundai.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=keim153@gmail.com href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">Darrell Keim</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=editor@lataheagle.com
href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com">Kai Eiselein, editor</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:54
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Attendees At UN
Climate Conference PayForConference Associated CO2 Emissions</DIV>
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<DIV>Kai and V2020:</DIV>
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<DIV>Were you at the UI Sustainability Conference a few months back? As
I recall one of the key speakers was one of the folks that started the
"Sustainability Market" in the USA several years ago. I thought he had
some very interesting things to say about how they started a carbon credit
market. Specifically, if I recall correctly, his talk about starting to
make environmentalism profitable so people will be more likely to do it.
Got me to thinking at the time: carbon credits are alot like the sin tax we
put on alcohol and tobacco. Money from a bad habit goes to
something potentially good. What did you think? </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 11/12/2007, <B class=gmail_sendername>Kai
Eiselein, editor</B> <<A
href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com">editor@lataheagle.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Carbon
Credits: Scam operated by Wall Street types, to make money off
of<BR>polluters who want to clean up their public image without actually
having to <BR>DO anything to reduce the pollutants they generate and offset
providers who<BR>purport to reduce emmisions in return for cash.<BR>However,
the number of middlemen involved makes profiting from
reducing<BR>gasses difficult at best, so don't plan on making
money from it with your <BR>apple orchard.<BR>AKA "The Feel Good, Do Nothing
Scam"<BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "lfalen" <<A
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A>><BR>To: <<A
href="mailto:nickgier@adelphia.net"> nickgier@adelphia.net</A>>; "Ted
Moffett" <<A
href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</A>><BR>Cc: <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Sent:
Monday, December 10, 2007 2:54 PM <BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Attendees At
UN Climate Conference<BR>PayForConference Associated CO2
Emissions<BR><BR><BR>> Nick<BR>> I would encourage the use of tele
conferences wherever possible. CALS<BR>> does a fairly good job of this.
Most conferences associated with <BR>> government agencies
could do this. As for political parties, most<BR>> individuals do not
have the necessary equipment to make this practical. If<BR>> they did I
would favor it.<BR>> I hope you enjoyed your trip and good luck on your
book <BR>> Roger<BR>> -----Original message-----<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:nickgier@adelphia.net">nickgier@adelphia.net</A><BR>> Date:
Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:56:39 -0800<BR>> To: Ted Moffett <A
href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</A><BR>> Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference Pay<BR>>
ForConference Associated CO2 Emissions<BR>><BR>>> Hi
Roger,<BR>>><BR>>> Will you encourage your Republican colleagues
to buy carbon credits to <BR>>> attend their convention next summer,
or should they all stay at home and<BR>>> nominate their candidate
from their computers?<BR>>><BR>>> Not a good idea, because
climate delegates have to be together personally <BR>>> just as
political convention delegates do.<BR>>><BR>>> Nick
Gier<BR>>><BR>>>
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