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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This seems to be a legitimate market concern to me too, and thanks for looking after it, Kai. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Corruption in the market<FONT size=2> does not diminish authoritive measurements indicating that the biological carrying capacity of the planet is on a downward trend, due to human corruption...In fact,who could be surprised?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We kept Kim's 64 T-bird! We just don't feed it. Been riding a 2hp Honda powered Schwinn ssx cruiser of late. And, look forward to building more of them, as the demand arises.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Dave</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></DIV><BR>
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From: editor@lataheagle.com<BR>To: keim153@gmail.com<BR>Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:14:26 -0800<BR>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference PayForConference Associated CO2 Emissions<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>No, I wasn't able to get out of the office, as I recall.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I did some checking online, including taking a gander at the Chicago Climate Exchange website.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>From what I found, the winners are major polluters and middlemen/brokers, and possibly corporate offset providers. For the most part, the startup costs and commissions taken by the middlemen will keep many, smaller prospective offsetters out of the game.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I have a feeling there will be a lot of self-congratulating and back patting over what they've "done" for the environment, without having done much, if anything.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The price of credits has dropped like a rock over the last 180 days. They've gone from a high of over $3 in April and July/August to under $2 in November, with a slight rebound to just over $2 now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Yet, some places are selling these credits for $5+ just so someone can feel good about driving that Escalade to their local organic grocery for Fair Trade coffee and organic jicama.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>What a racket, I wish I'd thought of it. Then I could have kept my '65 T-Bird and ditched my '06 Hyundai.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=editor@lataheagle.com href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com">Kai Eiselein, editor</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:54 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference PayForConference Associated CO2 Emissions</DIV>
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<DIV>Kai and V2020:</DIV>
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<DIV>Were you at the UI Sustainability Conference a few months back? As I recall one of the key speakers was one of the folks that started the "Sustainability Market" in the USA several years ago. I thought he had some very interesting things to say about how they started a carbon credit market. Specifically, if I recall correctly, his talk about starting to make environmentalism profitable so people will be more likely to do it. Got me to thinking at the time: carbon credits are alot like the sin tax we put on alcohol and tobacco. Money from a bad habit goes to something potentially good. What did you think? </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=EC_gmail_quote>On 11/12/2007, <B class=EC_gmail_sendername>Kai Eiselein, editor</B> <<A href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com">editor@lataheagle.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=EC_gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Carbon Credits: Scam operated by Wall Street types, to make money off of<BR>polluters who want to clean up their public image without actually having to <BR>DO anything to reduce the pollutants they generate and offset providers who<BR>purport to reduce emmisions in return for cash.<BR>However, the number of middlemen involved makes profiting from reducing<BR>gasses difficult at best, so don't plan on making money from it with your <BR>apple orchard.<BR>AKA "The Feel Good, Do Nothing Scam"<BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "lfalen" <<A href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A>><BR>To: <<A href="mailto:nickgier@adelphia.net"> nickgier@adelphia.net</A>>; "Ted Moffett" <<A href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</A>><BR>Cc: <<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:54 PM <BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference<BR>PayForConference Associated CO2 Emissions<BR><BR><BR>> Nick<BR>> I would encourage the use of tele conferences wherever possible. CALS<BR>> does a fairly good job of this. Most conferences associated with <BR>> government agencies could do this. As for political parties, most<BR>> individuals do not have the necessary equipment to make this practical. If<BR>> they did I would favor it.<BR>> I hope you enjoyed your trip and good luck on your book <BR>> Roger<BR>> -----Original message-----<BR>> From: <A href="mailto:nickgier@adelphia.net">nickgier@adelphia.net</A><BR>> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:56:39 -0800<BR>> To: Ted Moffett <A href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</A><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference Pay<BR>> ForConference Associated CO2 Emissions<BR>><BR>>> Hi Roger,<BR>>><BR>>> Will you encourage your Republican colleagues to buy carbon credits to <BR>>> attend their convention next summer, or should they all stay at home and<BR>>> nominate their candidate from their computers?<BR>>><BR>>> Not a good idea, because climate delegates have to be together personally <BR>>> just as political convention delegates do.<BR>>><BR>>> Nick Gier<BR>>><BR>>> =======================================================<BR>>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>>> <A href="http://www.fsr.net/" target=_blank>http://www.fsr.net</A><BR>>> mailto:<A href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com </A><BR>>> =======================================================<BR>><BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>> <A href="http://www.fsr.net/" target=_blank>http://www.fsr.net</A><BR>> mailto:<A href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>> ======================================================= <BR>><BR>Kai Eiselein<BR>Editor, Latah Eagle<BR><BR>=======================================================<BR>List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR> <A href="http://www.fsr.net/" target=_blank>http://www.fsr.net</A><BR> mailto:<A href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>=======================================================<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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