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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>g. crabtree stated:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>“In the spirit of the season and
reciprocity I grant you the freedom to emulate whatever unpleasant aroma your
heart might desire. You may now wish to rejoin the rest of the cyber-saviors in
the mutual butt kissing ceremony that they seem to be currently engaging in.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And Happy Holidays to you, too, g-ster.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>May the fleas of a thousand camels . . . <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>Seeya round town, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>.<br>
<br>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Tom Hansen</st1:PersonName><br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place><br>
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"Once again here's a bunch of radicals attempting to force their lifestyle
on people who do not wish to recognize that lifestyle as normal. What
ever happened to live and let live?"<br>
<br>
- Varnel W. (March 18, 2006)<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>g. crabtree<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, December 09, 2007
7:45 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> david sarff; Scott Dredge;
vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Civility
is a two-way street</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Is there something I was unaware of? Is Mr. Moffett a 10
year old crippled school girl on some form of life support? Does he tap
out his dire warnings for the universe with the eraser end of
a pencil clenched between his teeny tiny teeth on some special keyboard
for the enfeebled? I have enough respect for the man to believe that he can
give as well as he gets should he decide to. I feel certain
he has no real need of an on line guardian angel protecting his
"sensitivities" from supposed bullies or advise on who to engage with
or how.</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thank you however for your kindly granting
me permission to act as my own master. In the spirit of the season and
reciprocity I grant you the freedom to emulate whatever unpleasant aroma your heart
might desire. You may now wish to rejoin the rest of the cyber-saviors in the
mutual butt kissing ceremony that they seem to be currently engaging
in. As you might guess, it's a party I'll be opting out of.</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>g</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:davesway@hotmail.com" title="davesway@hotmail.com">david sarff</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" title="jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</a>
; <a href="mailto:sdredge@yahoo.com" title="sdredge@yahoo.com">Scott Dredge</a>
; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" title="vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Sunday, December
09, 2007 4:50 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: [Vision2020]
Civility is a two-way street<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Ok Gary, you don't have to do anything you don't want to do.</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> Though we both know that your a good fellow at the
core. You can be just as mean and rotten as you wish. Be warned, if your
going to use over-inflated rhetoric to bully the other members for
their sensitivities. From here on out, I'm going to be on you like stink on
you know what.</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> You mistreated Ted, you know it. He deserves better
than a shine it on reaction, and you know it.</span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Dave</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I would love to be able to say how sorry I am that
certain elements on this list find what I post to be objectionable. I would love
to be able to proclaim that I will restrain my "boorish"
impulses and not post items which cause discomfort and anguish for those I
disagree with. I would like to claim that I would enjoy nothing more then to
have this list be the peaceful refuge of the local philosophy departments and
their spawn, a friendly place where seldom is heard
a conservative word and a place where outlandish assertions are not
questioned all day. I'd love to tell you all of these happy and wonderful things
but it just wouldn't be true there simply isn't any chance in hell of it
happening.</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>My deepest condolences,</span></font><font size=2
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- </span></font><font size=2
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>From: "Scott Dredge" <</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><a
href="mailto:sdredge@yahoo.com"><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>sdredge@yahoo.com</span></font></a></span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>></span></font><font
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font-family:Arial'>To: <</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>vision2020@moscow.com</span></font></a></span></font><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>></span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 12:00 AM</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a two-way street</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>>> Nick wrote:<br>
>> I think Ted Moffett's postings on the Vision are some of the most<br>
> civil,<br>
>> best written, and thoroughly researched work I've read on this list.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I couldn't agree more Nick. This is why I would rather not see Ted
mix<br>
> it up with the likes of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Gary</st1:place></st1:City>.
When I referred to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Gary</st1:place></st1:City>
as a<br>
> street fighter in a previous post I wasn't equating this with ghetto gangs
/<br>
> power / dominance, I was referring to his style of virtually throwing a
bucket<br>
> of marbles on the floor in the hopes that you all start slip-sliding on
them.<br>
> <br>
> Also, when I equate <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Gary</st1:place></st1:City>
to a "master debater" this isn't exactly intended<br>
> as a compliment even though it may appear to come across that way to<br>
> the more civil members of this list.<br>
> <br>
>> I contrast Ted's posts with one that Crabtree did on comparative<br>
> violence<br>
>> in Christianity and Islam. It was one paragraph long, gave no<br>
> references,<br>
>> and yet he, after many objections, still stood by his<br>
> unsupported claims. <br>
> <br>
> I don't have a specific memory of this exchange and I delete a heck of a
lot<br>
> of posts, but it doesn't surprise me. Most of the time <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Gary</st1:place></st1:City> shoots from the hip.<br>
> <br>
>> And then there is the incivility, which for me places him beyond the<br>
> pale<br>
>> with the Wilsonistas, whom he supports in a knee-jerk way.<br>
> <br>
> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Gary</st1:place></st1:City> is
boorish in cyberspace. Please avoid him whenever possible. Also,<br>
> my read is that he doesn't support Wilsonistas per se, although he does<br>
> challenge some of the more outlandish claims made against Christ Churchers<br>
> and Doug Wilson on this list and it's a good thing at least someone does.<br>
> <br>
>> Keep up the good work, Ted.<br>
> <br>
> Ditto<br>
> <br>
>> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Nick Gier</st1:PersonName><br>
> <br>
> -Scott Dredge<br>
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