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The last time this happened it turned out that the message actually was locatable to Bucers' Coffee/Book store.&nbsp; I personally spoke with the people at Cactus back then and they were supposed to be looking to it and stopping it.&nbsp; Seems like it worked for a while, but I duno....maybe Doug Farris is bored again and figures this is the way to liven his little life up.<br><br>As for Gary C...my apologies.&nbsp; I did not realize that e-mail was from a while ago or that it had been pirated and used/re-used for someone else's sick pleasure.&nbsp; I am sorry for assuming it was you.&nbsp; Given the message was written directly to you, I just figured you were part of this little game of shells.&nbsp; Again, my apologies.<br><br>J  :]<br><br><br>&gt; Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 00:04:46 -0800<br>&gt; From: starbliss@gmail.com<br>&gt; To: jampot@roadrunner.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; All-<br>&gt; <br>&gt; E-mail header below for privatejf35@hotmail.com Vision2020 post from<br>&gt; today.  I don't think Gary Crabtree is the author of the<br>&gt; privatejf35@hotmail.com re-posting of the private e-mail from Joe<br>&gt; Campbell to Gary Crabtree, though given Gary Crabtree was the fully<br>&gt; disclosed source of the original posting of this private e-mail, in<br>&gt; violation of the "rule" that private messages not be posted to<br>&gt; Vision2020, it is reasonable to assume he might engage in the same<br>&gt; conduct again, correct?  For some reason I cannot clearly clarify, it<br>&gt; just seems that privatejf35 is not Gary Crabtree.  How does Carnivore<br>&gt; work, anyway?<br>&gt; -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Here is the simple result from the IP address:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; X-Originating-IP: [216.98.239.39] resolves to:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; OrgName:    Cactus International, Inc.<br>&gt; OrgID:      CACTU-2<br>&gt; Address:    211 S. Main St.<br>&gt; City:       Moscow<br>&gt; StateProv:  ID<br>&gt; PostalCode: 83843<br>&gt; Country:    US<br>&gt; <br>&gt; NetRange:   216.98.224.0 - 216.98.255.255<br>&gt; CIDR:       216.98.224.0/19<br>&gt; NetName:    TURBONET<br>&gt; NetHandle:  NET-216-98-224-0-1<br>&gt; Parent:     NET-216-0-0-0-0<br>&gt; NetType:    Direct Allocation<br>&gt; NameServer: NS1.TURBONET.COM<br>&gt; NameServer: NS2.TURBONET.COM<br>&gt; Comment:<br>&gt; RegDate:    2004-07-09<br>&gt; Updated:    2005-10-03<br>&gt; <br>&gt; OrgNOCHandle: NOC1542-ARIN<br>&gt; OrgNOCName:   Network Operations Center<br>&gt; OrgNOCPhone:  +1-208-883-5500<br>&gt; OrgNOCEmail:  noc@turbonet.com<br>&gt; <br>&gt; OrgTechHandle: NOC1542-ARIN<br>&gt; OrgTechName:   Network Operations Center<br>&gt; OrgTechPhone:  +1-208-883-5500<br>&gt; OrgTechEmail:  noc@turbonet.com<br>&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------<br>&gt; <br>&gt; E-mail header:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Delivered-To: starbliss@gmail.com<br>&gt; Received: by 10.65.177.11 with SMTP id e11cs36013qbp;<br>&gt;         Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:09:51 -0800 (PST)<br>&gt; Received: by 10.140.82.2 with SMTP id f2mr4493449rvb.1196492990971;<br>&gt;         Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:09:50 -0800 (PST)<br>&gt; Return-Path: &lt;vision2020-bounces@moscow.com&gt;<br>&gt; Received: from trumpet.fsr.net (trumpet.fsr.net [64.126.132.9])<br>&gt;         by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g31si3139974rvb.2007.11.30.23.09.40;<br>&gt;         Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:09:50 -0800 (PST)<br>&gt; Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of<br>&gt; vision2020-bounces@moscow.com designates 64.126.132.9 as permitted<br>&gt; sender) client-ip=64.126.132.9;<br>&gt; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of<br>&gt; vision2020-bounces@moscow.com designates 64.126.132.9 as permitted<br>&gt; sender) smtp.mail=vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<br>&gt; Received: from trumpet.fsr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])<br>&gt; by trumpet.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lB1793US050349;<br>&gt; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:09:05 -0800 (PST)<br>&gt; (envelope-from vision2020-bounces@moscow.com)<br>&gt; Received: from mail-gw.fsr.net (mail-gw.fsr.net [64.126.132.22])<br>&gt; by trumpet.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lB17911v050200<br>&gt; for &lt;vision2020@lists.fsr.com&gt;; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:09:01 -0800 (PST)<br>&gt; (envelope-from owner-vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net)<br>&gt; Received: from psmtp.com (exprod5mx220.postini.com [64.18.0.79])<br>&gt; by mail-gw.fsr.net (8.13.1/8.12.3) with SMTP id lB179Kde087424<br>&gt; for &lt;vision2020@firststepinternet.com&gt;;<br>&gt; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:09:21 -0800 (PST)<br>&gt; (envelope-from privatejf35@hotmail.com)<br>&gt; Received: from source ([64.126.132.21]) (using TLSv1) by<br>&gt; exprod5mx220.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP;<br>&gt; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:09:12 PST<br>&gt; Received: from psmtp.com (exprod5mx224.postini.com [64.18.0.83])<br>&gt; by mx3.fsr.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id lB1797hv049893<br>&gt; for &lt;vision2020@moscow.com&gt;; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:09:07 -0800 (PST)<br>&gt; (envelope-from privatejf35@hotmail.com)<br>&gt; Received: from source ([65.55.175.173]) by exprod5mx224.postini.com<br>&gt; ([64.18.4.11]) with SMTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:09:11 PST<br>&gt; Received: from BLU104-W11 ([65.55.162.184]) by<br>&gt; blu139-omc2-s3.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft<br>&gt; SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:09:11 -0800<br>&gt; Message-ID: &lt;BLU104-W1199251154A394D9A20601A8720@phx.gbl&gt;<br>&gt; X-Originating-IP: [216.98.239.39]<br>&gt; From: J Ford &lt;privatejf35@hotmail.com&gt;<br>&gt; To: "vision2020@moscow.com" &lt;vision2020@moscow.com&gt;<br>&gt; Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:09:11 -0700<br>&gt; Importance: Normal<br>&gt; MIME-Version: 1.0<br>&gt; X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2007 07:09:11.0733 (UTC)<br>&gt; FILETIME=[12E31E50:01C833E9]<br>&gt; X-pstn-levels: (S: 1.04212/99.74296 R:95.9108 P:94.4486 M:97.0282 C:98.6951 )<br>&gt; X-pstn-levels: (S: 1.04212/99.74296 R:95.9108 P:94.4486 M:97.0282 C:98.6951 )<br>&gt; Subject: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br>&gt; X-BeenThere: vision2020@moscow.com<br>&gt; X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9<br>&gt; Precedence: list<br>&gt; List-Id: Moscow/Latah county community discussion list &lt;vision2020.moscow.com&gt;<br>&gt; List-Unsubscribe: &lt;http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020&gt;,<br>&gt; &lt;mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com?subject=unsubscribe&gt;<br>&gt; List-Archive: &lt;http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020&gt;<br>&gt; List-Post: &lt;mailto:vision2020@moscow.com&gt;<br>&gt; List-Help: &lt;mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com?subject=help&gt;<br>&gt; List-Subscribe: &lt;http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020&gt;,<br>&gt; &lt;mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com?subject=subscribe&gt;<br>&gt; Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2056107903=="<br>&gt; Sender: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<br>&gt; Errors-To: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<br>&gt; <br>&gt; --===============2056107903==<br>&gt; Content-Type: multipart/alternative;<br>&gt; boundary="_0e96e241-3861-475d-abf0-b9d00e75fc5e_"<br>&gt; <br>&gt; --_0e96e241-3861-475d-abf0-b9d00e75fc5e_<br>&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>&gt; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<br>&gt; ----------------<br>&gt; Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<br>&gt; <br>&gt; ------------------------------------------<br>&gt; On 12/1/07, g. crabtree &lt;jampot@roadrunner.com&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; I don't know who "gray tree crab is either. (although I have my suspicions)<br>&gt; &gt; It surely isn't me. It wouldn't be my style to repost  items written by<br>&gt; &gt; others to bolster a left leaning point of view now would it? I imagine that<br>&gt; &gt; some of the folks out there with far more geek expertise then I could<br>&gt; &gt; determine fairly quickly that I am not the source for this joker or jford35<br>&gt; &gt; if they actually wanted to.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; g<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>&gt; &gt; From: Steven Basoa<br>&gt; &gt; Cc: viz Vision 2020<br>&gt; &gt; Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:56 PM<br>&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Maybe J :] meant to blame the anonymous poster Gray Tree Crab.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Like gc, "I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping another's<br>&gt; &gt; identity is worse."<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Also like gc, "I may on occasion try to be funny (and fail) but it will<br>&gt; &gt; always be above my own mark."<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; signed,<br>&gt; &gt; anonym...<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Oops, I mean,<br>&gt; &gt; SB<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; On Dec 1, 2007, at 2:41 PM, g. crabtree wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Please be assured that I am not.  I have never, to the best of my knowledge,<br>&gt; &gt; written anything that I did not attach my real name to, be it for the Daily<br>&gt; &gt; News, Right Mind, Palousitics, Blog and Mablog, Vision 2020 or any other<br>&gt; &gt; venue. I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping another's<br>&gt; &gt; identity is worse. I may on occasion try to be funny (and fail) but it will<br>&gt; &gt; always be above my own mark.  I defy Ms. Ford to present so much as the<br>&gt; &gt; tiniest shred of proof to back up her baseless allegation.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; g (ary crabtree) 30 November at 2:27 P.M.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; =======================================================<br>&gt;  List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>&gt;  serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.   <br>&gt;                http://www.fsr.net                       <br>&gt;           mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>&gt; =======================================================<br><br /><hr />Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. <a href='http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?oci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