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You see, Scott, when we criticize them, it's "bitterness" and incivility.&nbsp; When THEY criticize us, it's a serrated edge carried by some fun-loving Trinitarian skylarks or the manly condemnation of evil by righteously angry men of chest.&nbsp; To be lectured on civility and decency by Roy Atwood and Doug Wilson is a little like having&nbsp; Mick Jagger teach me the proper use of the dessert fork at a formal dinner.&nbsp; <br><br>Keely<br><br><br><br><br><blockquote><hr>Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:55:16 -0800<br>From: sdredge@yahoo.com<br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br><br>
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</style><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Carl!!!<br><br>Are you just trying to start trouble?&nbsp; Or are you serious when you're asking for a rational reason behind Doug Farris' irrational behavior?&nbsp; In the perfect world that Doug Farris envisions in his own twisted mind, he would be executed or exiled for carrying on these types of antics.<br><br>If Roy Atwood wants civility, maybe he should have a talk with Doug Wilson who is a master at inflaming and dividing all sorts of people including those in his own church and denomination.&nbsp; If you want some great entertainment, just go to Doug Wilson's blog as well the Green Bagginses blog.&nbsp; Here's an amusing entry. "The hateful comments that I have had to delete have, without exception
(well, not counting the pornographic spam from Brazil that I imagine
every blog gets), been from folks who have self-identified as Doug
Wilson supporters."<br><br><span><a href="http://greenbaggins.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/minor-change-to-green-bagginses/" target="_blank">http://greenbaggins.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/minor-change-to-green-bagginses/</a></span><br><br>Can you imagine Doug Wilson's supporters posting hateful comments???&nbsp; Who would have thunk it with the "perfect standard" that he and his ilk claim to follow?<br><br>-Scott<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Carl Westberg &lt;carlwestberg846@hotmail.com&gt;<br>To: Scott Dredge &lt;sdredge@yahoo.com&gt;; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 11:57:26 AM<br>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br><br>


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If true, one must simply ask why?&nbsp; What is the purpose?&nbsp; Carl Westberg Jr.<br><br><blockquote><span style="overflow: hidden; width: 100%; height: 2px; background-color: black;"></span>Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:54:32 -0800<br>From: sdredge@yahoo.com<br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br><br>
 
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 [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br><br>


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The last time this happened it turned out that the message actually was locatable to Bucers' Coffee/Book store.&nbsp; I personally spoke with the people at Cactus back then and they were supposed to be looking to it and stopping it.&nbsp; Seems like it worked for a while, but I duno....maybe Doug Farris is bored again and figures this is the way to liven his little life up.<br><br>As for Gary C...my apologies.&nbsp; I did not realize that e-mail was from a while ago or that it had been pirated and used/re-used for someone else's sick pleasure.&nbsp; I am sorry for assuming it was you.&nbsp; Given the message was written directly to you, I just figured you were part of this little game of shells.&nbsp; Again, my apologies.<br><br>J  :]<br><br><br>&gt; Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 00:04:46 -0800<br>&gt; From: starbliss@gmail.com<br>&gt; To: jampot@roadrunner.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br>&gt; <br>&gt;
 All-<br>&gt; <br>&gt; E-mail header below for privatejf35@hotmail.com Vision2020 post from<br>&gt; today.  I don't think Gary Crabtree is the author of the<br>&gt; privatejf35@hotmail.com re-posting of the private e-mail from Joe<br>&gt; Campbell to Gary Crabtree, though given Gary Crabtree was the fully<br>&gt; disclosed source of the original posting of this private e-mail, in<br>&gt; violation of the "rule" that private messages not be posted to<br>&gt; Vision2020, it is reasonable to assume he might engage in the same<br>&gt; conduct again, correct?  For some reason I cannot clearly clarify, it<br>&gt; just seems that privatejf35 is not Gary Crabtree.  How does Carnivore<br>&gt; work, anyway?<br>&gt; -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Here is the simple result from the IP address:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; X-Originating-IP: [216.98.239.39] resolves to:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; OrgName:    Cactus International,
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 &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>&gt; &gt; From: Steven Basoa<br>&gt; &gt; Cc: viz Vision 2020<br>&gt; &gt; Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:56 PM<br>&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Maybe J :] meant to blame the anonymous poster Gray Tree Crab.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Like gc, "I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping another's<br>&gt; &gt; identity is worse."<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Also like gc, "I may on occasion try to be funny (and fail) but it will<br>&gt; &gt; always be above my own mark."<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; signed,<br>&gt; &gt; anonym...<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Oops, I mean,<br>&gt; &gt; SB<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; On Dec 1, 2007, at 2:41 PM, g. crabtree wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Please be assured that I am not.  I have never, to the best of my knowledge,<br>&gt; &gt; written anything that I did not attach my
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