<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Carl!!!<br><br>Are you just trying to start trouble? Or are you serious when you're asking for a rational reason behind Doug Farris' irrational behavior? In the perfect world that Doug Farris envisions in his own twisted mind, he would be executed or exiled for carrying on these types of antics.<br><br>If Roy Atwood wants civility, maybe he should have a talk with Doug Wilson who is a master at inflaming and dividing all sorts of people including those in his own church and denomination. If you want some great entertainment, just go to Doug Wilson's blog as well the Green Bagginses blog. Here's an amusing entry. "The hateful comments that I have had to delete have, without exception
(well, not counting the pornographic spam from Brazil that I imagine
every blog gets), been from folks who have self-identified as Doug
Wilson supporters."<br><br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://greenbaggins.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/minor-change-to-green-bagginses/">http://greenbaggins.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/minor-change-to-green-bagginses/</a></span><br><br>Can you imagine Doug Wilson's supporters posting hateful comments??? Who would have thunk it with the "perfect standard" that he and his ilk claim to follow?<br><br>-Scott<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Carl Westberg <carlwestberg846@hotmail.com><br>To: Scott Dredge <sdredge@yahoo.com>; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 11:57:26 AM<br>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br><br>
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If true, one must simply ask why? What is the purpose? Carl Westberg Jr.<br><br><blockquote><SPAN style="width:100%;height:2px;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(212,208,200); border-top:1px solid rgb(128,128,128);background-color:black;overflow:hidden; margin:8px 0px;"></SPAN>Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:54:32 -0800<br>From: sdredge@yahoo.com<br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br><br>
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</style><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">It was HeirDoug posing as a woman on v2020. He posted nearly the same lame comment at the nearly the same time on Dale's blog at this link:<br><br><span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/11/30/56371.aspx">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/11/30/56371.aspx</a></span><br><br>Gary was once again an innocent bystander on this site caught in the crossfire.<br><br>-Scott<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: J Ford <privatejf32@hotmail.com><br>To: Ted Moffett <starbliss@gmail.com>; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 11:13:28 AM<br>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br><br>
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The last time this happened it turned out that the message actually was locatable to Bucers' Coffee/Book store. I personally spoke with the people at Cactus back then and they were supposed to be looking to it and stopping it. Seems like it worked for a while, but I duno....maybe Doug Farris is bored again and figures this is the way to liven his little life up.<br><br>As for Gary C...my apologies. I did not realize that e-mail was from a while ago or that it had been pirated and used/re-used for someone else's sick pleasure. I am sorry for assuming it was you. Given the message was written directly to you, I just figured you were part of this little game of shells. Again, my apologies.<br><br>J :]<br><br><br>> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 00:04:46 -0800<br>> From: starbliss@gmail.com<br>> To: jampot@roadrunner.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br>> <br>>
All-<br>> <br>> E-mail header below for privatejf35@hotmail.com Vision2020 post from<br>> today. I don't think Gary Crabtree is the author of the<br>> privatejf35@hotmail.com re-posting of the private e-mail from Joe<br>> Campbell to Gary Crabtree, though given Gary Crabtree was the fully<br>> disclosed source of the original posting of this private e-mail, in<br>> violation of the "rule" that private messages not be posted to<br>> Vision2020, it is reasonable to assume he might engage in the same<br>> conduct again, correct? For some reason I cannot clearly clarify, it<br>> just seems that privatejf35 is not Gary Crabtree. How does Carnivore<br>> work, anyway?<br>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Here is the simple result from the IP address:<br>> <br>> X-Originating-IP: [216.98.239.39] resolves to:<br>> <br>> OrgName: Cactus International,
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[216.98.239.39]<br>> From: J Ford <privatejf35@hotmail.com><br>> To: "vision2020@moscow.com" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:09:11 -0700<br>> Importance: Normal<br>> MIME-Version: 1.0<br>> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2007 07:09:11.0733 (UTC)<br>> FILETIME=[12E31E50:01C833E9]<br>> X-pstn-levels: (S: 1.04212/99.74296 R:95.9108 P:94.4486 M:97.0282 C:98.6951 )<br>> X-pstn-levels: (S: 1.04212/99.74296 R:95.9108 P:94.4486 M:97.0282 C:98.6951 )<br>> Subject: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br>> X-BeenThere: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9<br>> Precedence: list<br>> List-Id: Moscow/Latah county community discussion list <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://vision2020.moscow.com">vision2020.moscow.com</a>><br>> List-Unsubscribe: <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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multipart/alternative;<br>> boundary="_0e96e241-3861-475d-abf0-b9d00e75fc5e_"<br>> <br>> --_0e96e241-3861-475d-abf0-b9d00e75fc5e_<br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<br>> ----------------<br>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<br>> <br>> ------------------------------------------<br>> On 12/1/07, g. crabtree <jampot@roadrunner.com> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > I don't know who "gray tree crab is either. (although I have my suspicions)<br>> > It surely isn't me. It wouldn't be my style to repost items written by<br>> > others to bolster a left leaning point of view now would it? I imagine that<br>> > some of the folks out there with far more geek expertise then I could<br>> > determine fairly quickly that I am not the source for this joker or jford35<br>> > if they actually wanted to.<br>> ><br>> > g<br>>
><br>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>> > From: Steven Basoa<br>> > Cc: viz Vision 2020<br>> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:56 PM<br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br>> ><br>> > Maybe J :] meant to blame the anonymous poster Gray Tree Crab.<br>> ><br>> > Like gc, "I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping another's<br>> > identity is worse."<br>> ><br>> > Also like gc, "I may on occasion try to be funny (and fail) but it will<br>> > always be above my own mark."<br>> ><br>> > signed,<br>> > anonym...<br>> ><br>> > Oops, I mean,<br>> > SB<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Dec 1, 2007, at 2:41 PM, g. crabtree wrote:<br>> > Please be assured that I am not. I have never, to the best of my knowledge,<br>> > written anything that I did not attach my
real name to, be it for the Daily<br>> > News, Right Mind, Palousitics, Blog and Mablog, Vision 2020 or any other<br>> > venue. I dislike anonymous posting and I think that usurping another's<br>> > identity is worse. I may on occasion try to be funny (and fail) but it will<br>> > always be above my own mark. I defy Ms. Ford to present so much as the<br>> > tiniest shred of proof to back up her baseless allegation.<br>> ><br>> > g (ary crabtree) 30 November at 2:27 P.M.<br>> ><br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a> <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>>
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