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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As much as I would love to go into detail
concerning this matter (as I did earlier), I will simply satisfy people’s
curiosity with a small portion of an earlier posting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2e8cvm">http://tinyurl.com/2e8cvm</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Resources (with which I have been
maintaining email and telephonic contact) confirm that this is the least of
un-pastor <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City></st1:place>’s
worries.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Smoke and mirrors may work with the Moscow
City Council. Rest assured, Mr. Dredge, these tactics are anything but effective
when it comes to the Standing Judicial Commission (SJC) of the Presbyterian
Church in America (PCA).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>More to come (MOST definitely) . . .<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>Seeya round town, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>.<br>
<br>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Tom Hansen</st1:PersonName><br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place><br>
<br>
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."<br>
<br>
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</span></font><font color=navy><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Scott Dredge<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, December 02, 2007
3:27 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Civility
is a 2-way street.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>How is the Kirk double standard going to change Saundra? It's a
rigged system. Right now we have Doug Wilson belly aching that no charges
were ever brought against his partner in crime Steve Wilkins and that some
higher up organization called the SJC is now railroading Wilkins. Now
what do you think would possibly happen if someone actually brought
charges? No doubt that they would be jettisoned (just like Michael
Metzler was for bringing charges) right out the corrupt church by the corrupt church
leaders who would with straight faces say that no charges were ever brought up
in the first place. Again, it's all very humorous to watch a blow hard
like Doug Wilson trying to save his crumbling power base while simultaneously
pissing off (by pissing on) his former allies.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.puritanboard.com/f77/latest-reply-doug-wilson-27027/"
target="_blank">http://www.puritanboard.com/f77/latest-reply-doug-wilson-27027/</a><br>
<br>
-Scott<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>----- Original Message
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From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Saundra Lund</st1:PersonName>
<sslund@roadrunner.com><br>
To: Carl Westberg <carlwestberg846@hotmail.com>; Scott Dredge
<sdredge@yahoo.com>; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 1:43:03 PM<br>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Well, I hate to
intrude, but I think y’all have missed another important point.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>When a Kirker like
Doug Farris or Dale Courtney or Dave Glasebrook or even Roy Atwood (with his
fantasy claim the Snooze was stupid enough to print) says or does something
shameful and utterly offensive, the shrill whining starts about how UNFAIR it
is to blame Wilson or the elders or others in the church hierarchy for the bad
behavior of individuals members.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>However, when . . .
say . . . I post something they don’t like, not only am I responsible for
what I write (or say or do), but so, too, is every single individual they want
to lump into their repugnant “Intolerista” category.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Sadly, some things
never change, and the Kirk’s reprehensible double-standard clearly seems
to be one of those things.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Saundra
Lund</span></font></st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#1F497D'>Moscow</span></font></st1:City><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>, <st1:State
w:st="on">ID</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>The only thing
necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold'>*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007 through life plus 70
years, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Saundra Lund</st1:PersonName>. Do not
copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the
express written permission of the author.*****</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Carl Westberg<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, December 02, 2007
1:22 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Scott Dredge; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Civility
is a 2-way street.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Good points, Scott. Carl
Westberg Jr.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:55:16
-0800<br>
From: sdredge@yahoo.com<br>
To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Carl!!!<br>
<br>
Are you just trying to start trouble? Or are you serious when you're
asking for a rational reason behind Doug Farris' irrational behavior? In
the perfect world that Doug Farris envisions in his own twisted mind, he would
be executed or exiled for carrying on these types of antics.<br>
<br>
If Roy Atwood wants civility, maybe he should have a talk with Doug Wilson who
is a master at inflaming and dividing all sorts of people including those in
his own church and denomination. If you want some great entertainment,
just go to Doug Wilson's blog as well the Green Bagginses blog. Here's an
amusing entry. "The hateful comments that I have had to delete have,
without exception (well, not counting the pornographic spam from <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Brazil</st1:place></st1:country-region> that I
imagine every blog gets), been from folks who have self-identified as Doug
Wilson supporters."<br>
<br>
<a
href="http://greenbaggins.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/minor-change-to-green-bagginses/"
target="_blank">http://greenbaggins.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/minor-change-to-green-bagginses/</a><br>
<br>
Can you imagine Doug Wilson's supporters posting hateful comments??? Who
would have thunk it with the "perfect standard" that he and his ilk
claim to follow?<br>
<br>
-Scott<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>----- Original Message
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From: Carl Westberg <carlwestberg846@hotmail.com><br>
To: Scott Dredge <sdredge@yahoo.com>; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 11:57:26 AM<br>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<br>
<br>
If true, one must simply ask why? What is the purpose? Carl
Westberg Jr.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007
11:54:32 -0800<br>
From: sdredge@yahoo.com<br>
To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Civility is a 2-way street.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>It was HeirDoug posing as
a woman on v2020. He posted nearly the same lame comment at the nearly
the same time on Dale's blog at this link:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/11/30/56371.aspx"
target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/11/30/56371.aspx</a><br>
<br>
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Gary</st1:place></st1:City> was once
again an innocent bystander on this site caught in the crossfire.<br>
<br>
-Scott<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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