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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>What part of "If you are correct and " Christopher D.
Witmer DOES believe that ALL homosexual practice, even in private, even between
consenting adults, and even among people you might like, should be and
eventually will be punishable by death or exile" then he and I disagree."
escapes you?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>g</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=sdredge@yahoo.com href="mailto:sdredge@yahoo.com">Scott Dredge</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 11, 2007 9:17
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] This is the
same CD Witmer...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Witmer and his like have made it clear that all homosexual
practice should be subject to exile or death. You made it clear that you
don't think he meant that. You think he meant just other things.
Things like NAMBLA activities, or knowingly exposing someone to HIV.
That he does, in fact, mean what he says and the fact that you are a literate
man tells me you cling to a bizarre belief. And what is that
belief? That the problem here is Intoleristas, not the Kirk and its
followers and brethren. Abundant evidence, I might add, to the
contrary.<BR><BR>You've learned well. That's just what they want you to
think.<BR><BR>Carry on.<BR><BR>keely<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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From: jampot@roadrunner.com<BR>To: kjajmix1@msn.com; sdredge@yahoo.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] This is the same CD
Witmer...<BR>Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:27:22 -0800<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>If you are correct and " Christopher D. Witmer DOES
believe that ALL homosexual practice, even in private, even between
consenting adults, and even among people you might like, should be and
eventually will be punishable by death or exile" then he and I disagree. I
thought I made that plain in my previous post. And with pretty much every
post I have ever made with regard to this topic. If this is what it
takes to be relegated to "firmly in the category of the bizarre"
then your thoughts on what a reasonable man might or might not want cut
precious little ice. I guess I'll just have to learn to endure the
ideological company of the jolly, wool clad wolves. Unlike you and yours,
they don't demand my total ideological purity when it comes to the current
politically correct group think.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>g</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> ; <A title=sdredge@yahoo.com
href="mailto:sdredge@yahoo.com">Scott Dredge</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Saturday, November 10, 2007 6:14 PM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [Vision2020] This is the same CD Witmer...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma,Helvetica,Sans-Serif">As
has been pointed out on this list to an almost exhausting -- but obviously
not yet effective -- degree, NAMBLA is an organization that favors
pedophilia. Homosexuality is not pedophilia. Pedophilia is a
predatory, exploitive, sickening offense against children; the word means
"sexual attraction to children," who are, of course, incapable in
any way of consenting to sex with adults. Homosexuality is the
condition of being sexually attracted to other adults of the same
sex. Its expression between consenting adults, regardless of whether
you favor it or not, should not be illegal, merely subjected to the same
reasonable restrictions that apply to heterosexual sex. For example,
what's OK in the bedroom is not OK on the steps of Anselm House. The
"who" is irrelevant, as it should be.<BR><BR>By the same token, knowingly
infecting someone with HIV is not a "homosexual crime." It is a
crime, and the transmission of the virus might be or might not be
homosexual in nature. It might not even be sexual in nature -- think
urging a dirty needle on someone. Assault with a deadly weapon --
the HIV virus -- is not a defining characteristic of homosexual
orientation, practice, or psychology. <BR><BR>I apologize if this
sounds condescending, but when people naively toss around "that's a
homosexual crime"-type talk and then confuse sexual expression with
criminal behavior, a careful explanation must be made. And those who
refuse to acknowledge that yes, Christopher D. Witmer DOES believe that
ALL homosexual practice, even in private, even between consenting adults,
and even among people you might like, should be and eventually will be
punishable by death or exile, will undoubtedly go to their graves
believing that no one would be THAT extreme in their beliefs. They
would be wrong.<BR><BR>Gary's continual need to de-fang the lupine
practices and beliefs of the CREC types long ago ceased to be
puzzling. It's now firmly in the category of the bizarre, and I'd
think that a reasonable man would not want to find himself there, caged
among the wolves -- even if they look harmless and jolly in their sheeps'
clothing.<BR><BR>keely<BR><BR></SPAN><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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From: jampot@roadrunner.com<BR>To: sdredge@yahoo.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:42:15
-0800<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] This is the same CD Witmer...<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Since it's clear it's an argument you desire, try
this on for size. I have no problem at all with some homosexual crimes
being punishable with death or exile (prison). Knowingly transmitting
HIV/AIDS to an unwitting partner comes to mind along with pretty much
everything NAMBLA stands for. I do not believe that it should be a crime
to simply be homosexual and I doubt that Mr. Witmer believes this
either. Furthermore, private consensual relations between two parties of
majority would not meet the criterion Mr. Witmer set out in the post you
provide reference to.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I find it hard to believe that because I am not in
favor of state recognition of homosexual marriage you can make the leap
to my potentially being in favor of the mass extermination of all people
of this persuasion. Is this a case of faulty logic or a desire to
stir the pot? If the former, allow me to be clear. In my opinion no one
should be executed or exiled for simply being a homosexual. If it's the
later, let the games begin but please direct your comments to Mr. Witmer
and feel free to leave me out.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>g</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">-----
Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sdredge@yahoo.com href="mailto:sdredge@yahoo.com">Scott
Dredge</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:01 AM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
[Vision2020] This is the same CD Witmer...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif">
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: monospace">> Carl writes: 'This is the same
C.D. Witmer who has stated that, in the<BR>> perfect world
envisioned by Mr. Witmer, citizens would be required to<BR>> take a
"trinitarian test oath." What a, uh, interesting fellow.<BR>>
Carl Westberg Jr.'<BR><BR>Yes Carl, he's the same one who salivates
over the return of the days when<BR>gays will once again be
executed. Let's see Gary Crabtree try and defend<BR>this
one. Witmer's verbatim quote is "</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: monospace">I most definitely look forward to the
day when society changes its laws to be more in line with the Bible's
teaching, so that homosexual crimes can be once again be legally
punishable by death or exile."<BR></SPAN><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: monospace">Full text at:<BR><BR><SPAN><A
href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2006/05/16/43701.aspx"
target=_blank>http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2006/05/16/43701.aspx</A></SPAN><BR><BR><BR><BR>From:
kjajmix1 at msn.com<BR>To: thansen at<BR> moscow.com; vision2020
at moscow.com<BR>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:49:50 -0700<BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Sat What?<BR><BR>If I had the energy, I'd spend my
evening playing the "is he more racist, or more homophobic?"
game. However, I'm a bit fatigued, so I'll just go with "he's a
thoroughly disgraceful man" and call it a
night.<BR><BR>keely<BR><BR><BR>> From: thansen at
moscow.com<BR>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com<BR>> Date: Fri, 2
Nov 2007 16:22:00 -0700<BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] Sat
What?<BR>> <BR>> "New Orleans is also overwhelmingly black, and
blacks as a group have been<BR>> destroyed by multiple generations
of dependency on government welfare, which<BR>> is already a form
of theft at gunpoint. From such a position it is but a<BR>> small
additional step to looting."<BR>> <BR>> - C. D. Witmer (November
2, 2007)</SPAN><BR></DIV></DIV><BR>
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