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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>If you are correct and " Christopher D. Witmer DOES
believe that ALL homosexual practice, even in private, even between consenting
adults, and even among people you might like, should be and eventually will be
punishable by death or exile" then he and I disagree. I thought I made that
plain in my previous post. And with pretty much every post I have ever made with
regard to this topic. If this is what it takes to be relegated
to "firmly in the category of the bizarre" then your thoughts on what a
reasonable man might or might not want cut precious little ice. I guess I'll
just have to learn to endure the ideological company of the jolly, wool clad
wolves. Unlike you and yours, they don't demand my total ideological purity when
it comes to the current politically correct group think.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>g</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=sdredge@yahoo.com href="mailto:sdredge@yahoo.com">Scott Dredge</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 10, 2007 6:14
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] This is the
same CD Witmer...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma,Helvetica,Sans-Serif">As has
been pointed out on this list to an almost exhausting -- but obviously not yet
effective -- degree, NAMBLA is an organization that favors pedophilia.
Homosexuality is not pedophilia. Pedophilia is a predatory, exploitive,
sickening offense against children; the word means "sexual attraction to
children," who are, of course, incapable in any way of consenting to sex
with adults. Homosexuality is the condition of being sexually attracted
to other adults of the same sex. Its expression between consenting
adults, regardless of whether you favor it or not, should not be illegal,
merely subjected to the same reasonable restrictions that apply to
heterosexual sex. For example, what's OK in the bedroom is not OK on the
steps of Anselm House. The "who" is irrelevant, as it should
be.<BR><BR>By the same token, knowingly infecting someone with HIV is not a
"homosexual crime." It is a crime, and the transmission of the virus
might be or might not be homosexual in nature. It might not even be
sexual in nature -- think urging a dirty needle on someone. Assault with
a deadly weapon -- the HIV virus -- is not a defining characteristic of
homosexual orientation, practice, or psychology. <BR><BR>I apologize if
this sounds condescending, but when people naively toss around "that's a
homosexual crime"-type talk and then confuse sexual expression with criminal
behavior, a careful explanation must be made. And those who refuse to
acknowledge that yes, Christopher D. Witmer DOES believe that ALL homosexual
practice, even in private, even between consenting adults, and even among
people you might like, should be and eventually will be punishable by death or
exile, will undoubtedly go to their graves believing that no one would be THAT
extreme in their beliefs. They would be wrong.<BR><BR>Gary's continual
need to de-fang the lupine practices and beliefs of the CREC types long ago
ceased to be puzzling. It's now firmly in the category of the bizarre,
and I'd think that a reasonable man would not want to find himself there,
caged among the wolves -- even if they look harmless and jolly in their
sheeps' clothing.<BR><BR>keely<BR><BR></SPAN><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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From: jampot@roadrunner.com<BR>To: sdredge@yahoo.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:42:15 -0800<BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] This is the same CD Witmer...<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Since it's clear it's an argument you desire, try this
on for size. I have no problem at all with some homosexual crimes being
punishable with death or exile (prison). Knowingly transmitting HIV/AIDS to
an unwitting partner comes to mind along with pretty much everything NAMBLA
stands for. I do not believe that it should be a crime to simply be
homosexual and I doubt that Mr. Witmer believes this either. Furthermore,
private consensual relations between two parties of majority would not meet
the criterion Mr. Witmer set out in the post you provide reference
to.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I find it hard to believe that because I am not in
favor of state recognition of homosexual marriage you can make the leap to
my potentially being in favor of the mass extermination of all people of
this persuasion. Is this a case of faulty logic or a desire to stir the
pot? If the former, allow me to be clear. In my opinion no one should be
executed or exiled for simply being a homosexual. If it's the later, let the
games begin but please direct your comments to Mr. Witmer and feel free to
leave me out.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>g</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=sdredge@yahoo.com href="mailto:sdredge@yahoo.com">Scott
Dredge</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:01 AM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
[Vision2020] This is the same CD Witmer...</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: monospace">> Carl writes: 'This is the same C.D.
Witmer who has stated that, in the<BR>> perfect world envisioned by Mr.
Witmer, citizens would be required to<BR>> take a "trinitarian test
oath." What a, uh, interesting fellow.<BR>> Carl Westberg
Jr.'<BR><BR>Yes Carl, he's the same one who salivates over the return of
the days when<BR>gays will once again be executed. Let's see Gary
Crabtree try and defend<BR>this one. Witmer's verbatim quote is
"</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: monospace">I most definitely look
forward to the day when society changes its laws to be more in line with
the Bible's teaching, so that homosexual crimes can be once again be
legally punishable by death or exile."<BR></SPAN><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: monospace">Full text at:<BR><BR><SPAN><A
href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2006/05/16/43701.aspx"
target=_blank>http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2006/05/16/43701.aspx</A></SPAN><BR><BR><BR><BR>From:
kjajmix1 at msn.com<BR>To: thansen at<BR> moscow.com; vision2020 at
moscow.com<BR>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:49:50 -0700<BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Sat What?<BR><BR>If I had the energy, I'd spend my evening
playing the "is he more racist, or more homophobic?" game. However,
I'm a bit fatigued, so I'll just go with "he's a thoroughly disgraceful
man" and call it a night.<BR><BR>keely<BR><BR><BR>> From: thansen at
moscow.com<BR>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com<BR>> Date: Fri, 2 Nov
2007 16:22:00 -0700<BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] Sat What?<BR>>
<BR>> "New Orleans is also overwhelmingly black, and blacks as a group
have been<BR>> destroyed by multiple generations of dependency on
government welfare, which<BR>> is already a form of theft at gunpoint.
From such a position it is but a<BR>> small additional step to
looting."<BR>> <BR>> - C. D. Witmer (November 2,
2007)</SPAN><BR></DIV></DIV><BR>
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