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DISTINCTION here - Mr. Glassebrock did NOT state his opinion that the three named were bigoted against any church...he made a blanket statement regarding them - they are bigoted....Period. End of speculation.<br><br>Again, this was a totally inflammatory statement meant to insight distrust, disrespect and disinterest in seeing these three elected. Someone, ANYone seeing that sign as is would automatically jump to the conclusion that those people are BIGOTED against any and all races. Fact is, people did jump to that as being the meaning of that sign. IF he meant to say "against my church and my pastor" he should/would have said just that.<br><br>He didn't and so the only conclusion is that he meant people to take it exactly like they did.<br><br>What's really irritating here is that YOU know that and HE knew that would be the reaction to his sign. Again, typical kirker move - subterfuge at its highest....not best, just highest.<br><br>Gawd but you look more and more like Doug every day....what's he paying his lackys these days? With the project going so poorly and expensively, I'd ask for cash if I were you.<br><br><br>J :]<br><br><br>> From: jampot@roadrunner.com<br>> To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:47:56 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and More Political Contributions<br>> <br>> Mr. Glasebook has a perfectly valid opinion when it comes to citizen Ament <br>> and to a lesser extant, Ms. Pall as I've said in a previous post. I think <br>> that he is jumping the gun with respect to Lamar. There can absolutely no <br>> question that Ament holds Mr. Glasebrook's church and all related things in <br>> contempt and Ms. Pall has voted right along with him. If your argument is <br>> that the opinion is wrong because he only has got it 2/3 right I at least <br>> see your point. If your beef is that none of the three are bigoted toward CC <br>> et. al. I would love to hear you make the case considering the evidence to <br>> the contrary.<br>> <br>> g<br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com><br>> To: <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:36 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and More Political Contributions<br>> <br>> <br>> > Gary,<br>> ><br>> > I think the distinction escapes you because, well, I think it escaped you<br>> > again below. You wrote, 'I was merely calling into question the need to<br>> > condemn a man (or his sign?) for making his opinion known.'<br>> ><br>> > I don't think people are condemning him making his opinion known. Maybe I<br>> > should just speak for myself here, so I'll say I'm certainly not <br>> > condemning<br>> > him for that. I don't condemn anyone for that. [I should say I do yell at<br>> > or scold my clients when they make public statements that get used as<br>> > EVIDENCE, but that's a different matter.]<br>> ><br>> > It's the actual opinion that I'm condemning. Not the act of saying it, <br>> > but<br>> > the content. The right to free speech should be protected, but content is<br>> > fair game.<br>> ><br>> > Sunil<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com><br>> >>To: "Sunil Ramalingam"<br>> >><sunilramalingam@hotmail.com>,<vision2020@moscow.com><br>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and More Political Contributions<br>> >>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:28:49 -0700<br>> >><br>> >>And what makes you think that the distinction escapes me? I was merely<br>> >>calling into question the need to condemn a man (or his sign?) for making<br>> >>his opinion known. I was also a little unclear as to why it might be<br>> >>mandatory for a candidate to fall in line and express his opinion on<br>> >>another mans opinion, as I expressed in my opinion of Ms. Hovey's opinion<br>> >>of Mr. Carscallen's opinion of Mr. Glasebrook's opinion. See what this<br>> >>leads to? Chaos!<br>> >><br>> >>g<br>> >>----- Original Message -----<br>> >>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com><br>> >>To: <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> >>Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:32 PM<br>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and More Political Contributions<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> > Gary,<br>> >> ><br>> >> > While I've never seen you attack anyone's right to expression, you've<br>> >>spent<br>> >> > plenty of time criticizing the content of those with whom you disagree.<br>> >> > Good for you.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > It's no different with Glasebrook's sign. I would never try to stop <br>> >> > him<br>> >> > from creating or displaying his sign, but I certainly think he's wrong<br>> >>and<br>> >> > it was ridiculous. That's not the same as trying to ban him or <br>> >> > restrain<br>> >>his<br>> >> > speech.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > I'm surprised that suddenly the distinction eludes you.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Sunil<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> >>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com><br>> >> >>To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey@moscow.com>, "Donovan Arnold"<br>> >> >><donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>, "Tom Ivie"<br>> >><the_ivies3@yahoo.com>,<br>> >> >> "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com>, "Dan<br>> >>Carscallen"<br>> >> >><areaman@moscow.com>, <wdkrauss@clearwire.net>, <br>> >> >><wmsteed@aol.com><br>> >> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and More Political Contributions<br>> >> >>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:45:08 -0700<br>> >> >><br>> >> >>Ms. Hovey,<br>> >> >><br>> >> >>Regarding Dan Carscallen's comment regarding Mr. Glasebrooks sign.<br>> >>Wouldn't<br>> >> >>an outright condemnation be little different than taking the man to <br>> >> >>task<br>> >> >>for exercising his right to express his opinion in public? Whether you<br>> >> >>agree or not there is no question but what Mr. Glasebrook truly <br>> >> >>believes<br>> >> >>that the candidates in question are bigoted toward his church. I would<br>> >> >>think that reasonable people could disagree without having to demand<br>> >>they<br>> >> >>condemn him. I don't remember any call for condemnation for letter<br>> >>writer's<br>> >> >>who went to the fanatical extreme of expressing the opinion that Dr.<br>> >>Weitz<br>> >> >>hates kids. But I suppose that was a different, more intimate ox being<br>> >> >>gored in that instance.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >>One thing I do know is that in a medical emergency I would be <br>> >> >>incredibly<br>> >> >>pleased to see Dan's face as he dropped everything to do his absolute<br>> >>level<br>> >> >>best to keep me among the living as, I suspect, would you. If we're<br>> >>willing<br>> >> >>to trust him that far how much more of a stretch is it to trust him <br>> >> >>with<br>> >>a<br>> >> >>council seat? I believe that he'll look for the compromise that would<br>> >>make<br>> >> >>both of us equally mad as well as evenly pleased and devote the same<br>> >> >>competence to deciding matters of city business that he does to his<br>> >>other<br>> >> >>vital activities. 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