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GAWD!! Isn't it amazing how you open each and every reply with something along the line of "I think you're not reading what I wrote". Get a clue, dude. Either you are that hard to read (VERY possible) or you are doing the kirker-shuffle - "Distract and blame them for not getting it."<br><br>J :]<br><br><br><blockquote><hr>From: jampot@roadrunner.com<br>To: suehovey@moscow.com; donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com; the_ivies3@yahoo.com; vision2020@moscow.com; areaman@moscow.com; wdkrauss@clearwire.net; wmsteed@aol.com<br>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 06:05:33 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and More Political Contributions<br><br>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Ms. Hovey</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I think that you are reading things into my post
that weren't there and overlooking some of what was. My point is that I
think that Dan would go the extra mile to try and create solutions that would
satisfy people from your end of the spectrum as well as mine. Fortunately for
me, I have never had need for his professional assistance but I'm sure you are
right, in spite of my opinions he would almost certainly help me anyway. Thank
God.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
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<a title="suehovey@moscow.com" href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</a>
</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</a> ; <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> ; <a title="the_ivies3@yahoo.com" href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom Ivie</a> ;
<a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow
Vision 2020</a> ; <a title="areaman@moscow.com" href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">Dan Carscallen</a> ; <a title="wdkrauss@clearwire.net" href="mailto:wdkrauss@clearwire.net">wdkrauss@clearwire.net</a> ; <a title="wmsteed@aol.com" href="mailto:wmsteed@aol.com">wmsteed@aol.com</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:58
PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and
More Political Contributions</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Mr. Crabtree,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Perhaps you could quote the passage from my
posting which indicates I am not giving him my consideration. And while
you are doing that you might quote the passage in which I ask Dan to condemn
Mr. Glasebrook. I did not ask that. I said I was disappointed he
did not condemn the sign. The pronoun "it" refers to inantimate
objects. I never refer to people as "it", not even Dr. Weitz.
</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I happen to like Dan a lot. And I am
grateful to him for his contributions to the community. I have a feeling
he never considers a person's goodness, or political affiliation before he
decides to try to save them. The fact that he tried diligently to keep
you among the living proves my point, doesn't it? </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sue </font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="suehovey@moscow.com" href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</a> ; <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> ; <a title="the_ivies3@yahoo.com" href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom Ivie</a> ;
<a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow
Vision 2020</a> ; <a title="areaman@moscow.com" href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">Dan Carscallen</a> ; <a title="wdkrauss@clearwire.net" href="mailto:wdkrauss@clearwire.net">wdkrauss@clearwire.net</a> ; <a title="wmsteed@aol.com" href="mailto:wmsteed@aol.com">wmsteed@aol.com</a>
</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 01, 2007 6:45
PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and
More Political Contributions</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Ms. Hovey,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Regarding Dan Carscallen's comment regarding
Mr. Glasebrooks sign. Wouldn't an outright condemnation be little
different than taking the man to task for exercising his right to
express his opinion in public? Whether you agree or not there is no question
but what Mr. Glasebrook truly believes that the candidates in question are
bigoted toward his church. I would think that reasonable people could
disagree without having to demand they condemn him. I don't
remember any call for condemnation for letter writer's who went to the
fanatical extreme of expressing the opinion that Dr. Weitz
hates kids. But I suppose that was a different, more intimate ox
being gored in that instance.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">One thing I do know is that in a medical
emergency I would be incredibly pleased to see Dan's face as he dropped
everything to do his absolute level best to keep me among the living
as, I suspect, would you. If we're willing to trust him that far how much
more of a stretch is it to trust him with a council seat? I believe
that he'll look for the compromise that would make both of us
equally mad as well as evenly pleased and devote the same competence to
deciding matters of city business that he does to his other vital
activities. Please give him your consideration.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="suehovey@moscow.com" href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue
Hovey</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> ; <a title="the_ivies3@yahoo.com" href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom Ivie</a>
; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</a> ; <a title="areaman@moscow.com" href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">Dan
Carscallen</a> ; <a title="wdkrauss@clearwire.net" href="mailto:wdkrauss@clearwire.net">wdkrauss@clearwire.net</a> ; <a title="wmsteed@aol.com" href="mailto:wmsteed@aol.com">wmsteed@aol.com</a>
</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 01, 2007
3:51 PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] The BLog
and More Political Contributions</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Exactly. But the source of that
money is also a strong indicator of the values held by their
supporters. And that's why taking money from John Ficca is a
clear indication of the regard one has for the rights of employees.
They might not have known about his past when they accepted it, but
they know now and whether they keep it or return it is key to their
own values. If they decide to return it, then they need to make a
public statement to that effect. Otherwise, how would we know in
time to vote for them?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">An important issue, to me, is the request by
the police to form a union. They were denied that opportunity last
year. I want to elect candidates who will not deny that request
again. Those who would overlook John Ficca's behavior might well be
disinclined to allow the police effort, as well. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">As I have been involved in the debates among
the candidates, I really have come to feel that electing all the council
members from either MCA or GMA might not serve us as well as electing
candidates from both groups. At this time, I am convinced to
vote for Aaron Ament. I am still trying to determine where my other
votes will go. I had intended to make support for the school levy
re-run a determining variable, but I am convinced all the candidates
support that effort. Evan Holmes, Dan Carscallen, and Aaron Ament
have not only voiced their support, they have written articulately of that
support. Wayne Krauss also has a long history of
supporting Moscow Public Schools. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The word of the candidates in
response to the Christ Church representative, Dave Glasebrook, and the
malicious sign he carried, are also significant. I was particularly
bothered by the statement from Dan Carscallen, "I don't condone it, but I
guess I don't condemn it, either." And pray, why not? It would
seem to me that any posturing from a person filled with all
that invective would compel one to condemn it. And coming
on the heels of Shelly Bennett's letter which carried the same message, I
think one can expect antics such as these to continue. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">One thing, though, through all of this the
candidates have comported themselves with the level of civility one has a
right to expect of people running for public office. They have all
done well by us. I am sure that by election day, I will cast my vote
with confidence in those who receive it. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I would have sent this letter to the Daily
News and Lewiston Tribune, but my allocation of letters to the editor was
already expended through my effort to support the levy re-run.
</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sue Hovey</font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="the_ivies3@yahoo.com" href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom Ivie</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow
Vision 2020</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 31, 2007
9:50 PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] The BLog
and More Political Contributions</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Tom I.,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I don't think money wins an election. But it is the strongest
indicator of what kind of support a candidate has in the
community.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Donovan <br><br><b><i>Tom Ivie <<a href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">the_ivies3@yahoo.com</a>></i></b>
wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">Nothing
is ever certain in horse races or politics. All the money in the
world doesn't win an election. It does help though. Send
your checks to...<br><br><b><i>Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>></i></b>
wrote:
<blockquote class="EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">
<div>I cannot wait to see who wins the third seat for the four year
term. I really think it looks like Tom Lamar, Wayne Krauss, and
Dan Carscallen are going to be fighting for the last two seats. I
think Aaron Ament with a big load a cash, incumbency, and being
liberal in a liberal town is definitely going to place in the top
three. I am also certain that Walter Steed will win.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Donovan<br><br><b><i>Tom Ivie
<the_ivies3@yahoo.com></i></b> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">One
person contributed $4,000 to a city election? What are we, Boise
or Seattle? or is that what they want us to be? What
does one person have to gain by providing so much money in a
little race? like ours? Nothing against the candidates
though, good for them to have a big spending benefactor.
<br><br><b><i>Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com></i></b>
wrote:
<blockquote class="EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">>From
Dale Courtney's blog
at:<br><br>http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/10/31/55739.aspx<br><br>------------------------------------------<br><br>"Hey,
Big Spender <br><br>I have a copy of all of the City Council
Candidates' Campaign Financial<br>Disclosure Reports.
<br><br>I'll post them shortly. <br><br>Of interest is how much
money the candidates have received. <br><br>Aaron Ament: $9,475
<br>Tom Lamar: $8,817 <br>Walter Steed: $6,936 <br>Wayne Krauss:
$6,135 <br>Dan Carscallen: $4,545 <br>Linda Pall: $3,910
<br>Evan Holmes: $1,992<br>Bill London accuses the GMA
candidates of being the "big spending" group. <br><br>Seems like
most of the money is being funneled to the liberal candidates.
<br><br>If money is any indication, the libs have their bets set
on Ament. <br><br>Heaven help
us."<br><br>------------------------------------------<br><br>Although
it is important to learn how much money has been contributed
to<br>each candidate, it is vitally more important to learn from
where that money<br>was contributed.<br><br>Your attention is
invited to the Financial Disclosure reports located
at:<br><br>http://www.MoscowElection2007.com<br><br>A review of
the Financial Disclosure Reports submitted by Dan
Carscallen,<br>Walter Steed, Wayne Krauss, and the Greater
Moscow Alliance Political Action<br>Committee reflects
contributions in the amount of $1,000 to each of
the<br>aforementioned by Palouse Rental and
Construction.<br><br>Who is Palouse Rental and Construction you
ask?<br><br>As mentioned earlier by Mark Solomon in an earlier
posting
at:<br><br>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-October/049113.html<br><br>"As
I'm always interested in who is contributing big $$ in
elections, I<br>looked it up and saw Palouse Rentals and
Construction had donated $1000 to<br>GMA. Maybe I'm just out of
the loop, but I did not know that name. A quick<br>search on the
Sec'y of State website gives up John Ficca as the president
of<br>the corporation, which, by the way, has been
administratively dissolved by<br>the Sec'y of State for failure
to file annual reports since 2004."<br><br>It appears that this
defunct company is/was headed by John Ficca, who back<br>in 2000
. .
.<br><br>http://www.lni.wa.gov/news/2000/pr000214a.asp<br><br>"TUMWATER
- An Idaho employer must pay more than $95,000 in unpaid wages
to<br>12 current and former employees in the Spokane area
according to a<br>settlement agreement announced today by the
Department of Labor and<br>Industries.<br><br>John Ficca, of
Moscow, Idaho, owner of Art's Electric, Inc., also has
been<br>permanently prohibited from bidding on or performing
work on future public<br>works projects in Washington. Ficca
also does business as Palouse Country<br>Electric and U Cities
Contracting."<br><br>It appears that perhaps the state of Idaho
may be interested in the business<br>posture of "Palouse Rental
and Construction" as it makes political<br>contributions to a
select few (Steed, Krauss, and Carscallen) of Moscow's<br>city
council candidates.<br><br>One can only wonder how Moscow will
be divvied up . . . er . . . uh . . . I<br>mean rezoned come
January if Palouse Rental and Construction should gain<br>three
seats on our city council.<br><br>Things that make you go . .
.<br><br>Hmmm. <br><br>Seeya round town, Moscow.<br><br>Tom
Hansen<br>Moscow, Idaho<br><br>"We're a town of about 23,000
with 10,000 college students. The college<br>students are not
very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."<br><br>- Dale
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