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He made a BIG and BROAD statement regarding these three candidates. IF he meant what YOU say he is protesting, why not come right out and say so? The way he left it, was inflammatory and meant to create a dislike for and against Ament, LaMarr and Pall. <br><br>Yes, he has the right to express his opinion - but others have the same right to call him on it once he puts it out there.<br><br>J :]<br><br><br><blockquote><hr>From: jampot@roadrunner.com<br>To: suehovey@moscow.com; donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com; the_ivies3@yahoo.com; vision2020@moscow.com; areaman@moscow.com; wdkrauss@clearwire.net; wmsteed@aol.com<br>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:45:08 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and More Political Contributions<br><br>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Ms. Hovey,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Regarding Dan Carscallen's comment regarding Mr.
Glasebrooks sign. Wouldn't an outright condemnation be little different
than taking the man to task for exercising his right to express his opinion
in public? Whether you agree or not there is no question but what Mr. Glasebrook
truly believes that the candidates in question are bigoted toward his church. I
would think that reasonable people could disagree without having to demand
they condemn him. I don't remember any call for condemnation for letter
writer's who went to the fanatical extreme of expressing the opinion
that Dr. Weitz hates kids. But I suppose that was a different,
more intimate ox being gored in that instance.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">One thing I do know is that in a medical emergency
I would be incredibly pleased to see Dan's face as he dropped
everything to do his absolute level best to keep me among the living as, I
suspect, would you. If we're willing to trust him that far how much more of a
stretch is it to trust him with a council seat? I believe that he'll look
for the compromise that would make both of us equally mad as well as evenly
pleased and devote the same competence to deciding matters of city business that
he does to his other vital activities. Please give him your
consideration.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="suehovey@moscow.com" href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</a>
</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> ; <a title="the_ivies3@yahoo.com" href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom Ivie</a> ;
<a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow
Vision 2020</a> ; <a title="areaman@moscow.com" href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">Dan Carscallen</a> ; <a title="wdkrauss@clearwire.net" href="mailto:wdkrauss@clearwire.net">wdkrauss@clearwire.net</a> ; <a title="wmsteed@aol.com" href="mailto:wmsteed@aol.com">wmsteed@aol.com</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:51
PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and
More Political Contributions</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Exactly. But the source of that money
is also a strong indicator of the values held by their
supporters. And that's why taking money from John Ficca is a
clear indication of the regard one has for the rights of employees. They
might not have known about his past when they accepted it, but they know
now and whether they keep it or return it is key to their own
values. If they decide to return it, then they need to make a public
statement to that effect. Otherwise, how would we know in time to vote
for them?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">An important issue, to me, is the request by the
police to form a union. They were denied that opportunity last
year. I want to elect candidates who will not deny that request
again. Those who would overlook John Ficca's behavior might well be
disinclined to allow the police effort, as well. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">As I have been involved in the debates among the
candidates, I really have come to feel that electing all the council members
from either MCA or GMA might not serve us as well as electing candidates
from both groups. At this time, I am convinced to vote for Aaron
Ament. I am still trying to determine where my other votes will
go. I had intended to make support for the school levy re-run a
determining variable, but I am convinced all the candidates support that
effort. Evan Holmes, Dan Carscallen, and Aaron Ament have not only
voiced their support, they have written articulately of that support.
Wayne Krauss also has a long history of supporting Moscow Public
Schools. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The word of the candidates in response
to the Christ Church representative, Dave Glasebrook, and the malicious sign
he carried, are also significant. I was particularly bothered by the
statement from Dan Carscallen, "I don't condone it, but I guess I don't
condemn it, either." And pray, why not? It would seem to me that
any posturing from a person filled with all
that invective would compel one to condemn it. And coming on
the heels of Shelly Bennett's letter which carried the same message, I think
one can expect antics such as these to continue. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">One thing, though, through all of this the
candidates have comported themselves with the level of civility one has a
right to expect of people running for public office. They have all done
well by us. I am sure that by election day, I will cast my vote with
confidence in those who receive it. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I would have sent this letter to the Daily News
and Lewiston Tribune, but my allocation of letters to the editor was already
expended through my effort to support the levy re-run. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sue Hovey</font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="the_ivies3@yahoo.com" href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom Ivie</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow
Vision 2020</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:50
PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and
More Political Contributions</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Tom I.,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I don't think money wins an election. But it is the strongest
indicator of what kind of support a candidate has in the
community.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Donovan <br><br><b><i>Tom Ivie <<a href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">the_ivies3@yahoo.com</a>></i></b>
wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">Nothing
is ever certain in horse races or politics. All the money in the
world doesn't win an election. It does help though. Send your
checks to...<br><br><b><i>Donovan Arnold <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>></i></b>
wrote:
<blockquote class="EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">
<div>I cannot wait to see who wins the third seat for the four year
term. I really think it looks like Tom Lamar, Wayne Krauss, and Dan
Carscallen are going to be fighting for the last two seats. I think
Aaron Ament with a big load a cash, incumbency, and being liberal in a
liberal town is definitely going to place in the top three. I am also
certain that Walter Steed will win.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Donovan<br><br><b><i>Tom Ivie <the_ivies3@yahoo.com></i></b>
wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">One
person contributed $4,000 to a city election? What are we, Boise or
Seattle? or is that what they want us to be? What does one
person have to gain by providing so much money in a little race? like
ours? Nothing against the candidates though, good for them
to have a big spending benefactor. <br><br><b><i>Tom
Hansen <thansen@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:
<blockquote class="EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">>From
Dale Courtney's blog
at:<br><br>http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/10/31/55739.aspx<br><br>------------------------------------------<br><br>"Hey,
Big Spender <br><br>I have a copy of all of the City Council
Candidates' Campaign Financial<br>Disclosure Reports. <br><br>I'll
post them shortly. <br><br>Of interest is how much money the
candidates have received. <br><br>Aaron Ament: $9,475 <br>Tom Lamar:
$8,817 <br>Walter Steed: $6,936 <br>Wayne Krauss: $6,135 <br>Dan
Carscallen: $4,545 <br>Linda Pall: $3,910 <br>Evan Holmes:
$1,992<br>Bill London accuses the GMA candidates of being the "big
spending" group. <br><br>Seems like most of the money is being
funneled to the liberal candidates. <br><br>If money is any
indication, the libs have their bets set on Ament. <br><br>Heaven
help
us."<br><br>------------------------------------------<br><br>Although
it is important to learn how much money has been contributed
to<br>each candidate, it is vitally more important to learn from
where that money<br>was contributed.<br><br>Your attention is
invited to the Financial Disclosure reports located
at:<br><br>http://www.MoscowElection2007.com<br><br>A review of the
Financial Disclosure Reports submitted by Dan Carscallen,<br>Walter
Steed, Wayne Krauss, and the Greater Moscow Alliance Political
Action<br>Committee reflects contributions in the amount of $1,000
to each of the<br>aforementioned by Palouse Rental and
Construction.<br><br>Who is Palouse Rental and Construction you
ask?<br><br>As mentioned earlier by Mark Solomon in an earlier
posting
at:<br><br>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-October/049113.html<br><br>"As
I'm always interested in who is contributing big $$ in elections,
I<br>looked it up and saw Palouse Rentals and Construction had
donated $1000 to<br>GMA. Maybe I'm just out of the loop, but I did
not know that name. A quick<br>search on the Sec'y of State website
gives up John Ficca as the president of<br>the corporation, which,
by the way, has been administratively dissolved by<br>the Sec'y of
State for failure to file annual reports since 2004."<br><br>It
appears that this defunct company is/was headed by John Ficca, who
back<br>in 2000 . .
.<br><br>http://www.lni.wa.gov/news/2000/pr000214a.asp<br><br>"TUMWATER
- An Idaho employer must pay more than $95,000 in unpaid wages
to<br>12 current and former employees in the Spokane area according
to a<br>settlement agreement announced today by the Department of
Labor and<br>Industries.<br><br>John Ficca, of Moscow, Idaho, owner
of Art's Electric, Inc., also has been<br>permanently prohibited
from bidding on or performing work on future public<br>works
projects in Washington. Ficca also does business as Palouse
Country<br>Electric and U Cities Contracting."<br><br>It appears
that perhaps the state of Idaho may be interested in the
business<br>posture of "Palouse Rental and Construction" as it makes
political<br>contributions to a select few (Steed, Krauss, and
Carscallen) of Moscow's<br>city council candidates.<br><br>One can
only wonder how Moscow will be divvied up . . . er . . . uh . . .
I<br>mean rezoned come January if Palouse Rental and Construction
should gain<br>three seats on our city council.<br><br>Things that
make you go . . .<br><br>Hmmm. <br><br>Seeya round town,
Moscow.<br><br>Tom Hansen<br>Moscow, Idaho<br><br>"We're a town of
about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college<br>students
are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."<br><br>-
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