<DIV>I can see how it came across that way. I didn't mean to crap on any supporter if it was interpreted that way, I apologize. I was simply making the point that no candidate has squeaky clean supporters and it doesn't make the candidate any less dedicated to the people if they don't. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I had no idea that she was arrested until I read her post. And I don't think she is a bad person for it either. Sorry I gave that impression to some of you. My point was, that just because someone doesn't have a clean past doesn't mean that they are bad awful people and the candidates should reject their participation in democratic process.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't think we should be digging to who the contributors are as people at all unless they are felons or got the money in an illegal fashion. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Sunil Ramalingam
<sunilramalingam@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Why would you start a post by asking - fairly enough - that people stick to <BR>issues and candidates and then finish by crapping on one candidate's <BR>supporters? Doesn't it make meaningless your first point, which was a good <BR>one?<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR><BR>>From: Donovan Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM><BR>>To: Tom Hansen <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM>, "'Tom Ivie'" <THE_IVIES3@YAHOO.COM>, <BR>> "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and More Political Contributions<BR>>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:04:32 -0700 (PDT)<BR>><BR>>Mr. Hansen wrote:<BR>><BR>> "Steed, Krauss, Carscallen, and GMA each accepted a $1,000 contribution <BR>>from “Palouse Rentals and Construction” (PRC), a company that has been <BR>>administratively shut down by Idaho’s
Secretary of State for failure to <BR>>file annual reports."<BR>><BR>> Are you suggesting that Walter Steed, Wayne Krauss, and Dan Carscallen <BR>>are all going to collectively sell out the best interests of Moscow <BR>>residents and do the bidding of a construction company, that doesn't exist, <BR>>because the owner gave them $1000?<BR>> Seems like another pretty far fetched conspiracy theory to me. This is <BR>>almost as bad as the slanderous accusation made against a certain mayoral <BR>>candidate saying she was a drug dealer 20 or 30 years ago.<BR>><BR>> Why don't we stick to the issues and candidates instead of trying to say <BR>>someone is guilty of inappropriate behavior because they got a financial <BR>>contribution from someone that may have done something wrong years ago in <BR>>another state? I am willing to bet that most financial contributors have <BR>>done something or another, or belonged to a company, that would
reflect <BR>>badly on a candidate if someone would bother to dig deep enough. I for one <BR>>think that is going to too far to investigate the histories over every <BR>>contributor of every candidate. I bet anyone here a gift certificate to <BR>>Tri-State that Aaron Ament has at least one vocal supporter that has even <BR>>been to jail.<BR>><BR>> Best,<BR>><BR>> Donovan<BR>><BR>><BR>>Tom Hansen <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM>wrote:<BR>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* <BR>>{behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape <BR>>{behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } <BR>> You guys simply DON”T GET IT.<BR>><BR>> It is not about the amount of the contribution. It is all about where <BR>>that contribution originated.<BR>><BR>> Steed, Krauss, Carscallen, and GMA each accepted a $1,000 contribution <BR>>from “Palouse Rentals and Construction” (PRC), a company that
has been <BR>>administratively shut down by Idaho’s Secretary of State for failure to <BR>>file annual reports. PRC is headed by John Ficca, a Moscow <BR>>resident/businessman who has been permanently banned from ever bidding on <BR>>state projects within the state of Washington for reasons explained <BR>>numerous times earlier here on V2020.<BR>><BR>> To take this a step further, there are numerous OBV (Owned But Vacant) <BR>>properties - the triangular lot on the south edge of town, the old Goodwill <BR>>building on Main Street, etc. etc. – all belonging to Mike Hoffman. You <BR>>remember him. He’s the guy that proudly announced (in the Moscow-Pullman <BR>>Daily News) that he is buying and selling property all over Moscow.<BR>><BR>> And then there is the North Polk Extension “project”. Parties to that <BR>>little venture include Matthew Gray, Douglas Wilson, and Mike Hoffmann.<BR>><BR>> Like I suggested earlier . .
.<BR>><BR>> “One can only wonder how Moscow will be divvied up . . . er . . . uh . <BR>>. . I mean rezoned come January if Palouse Rental and Construction should <BR>>gain three seats on our city council.”<BR>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>><BR>>Tom Hansen<BR>>Moscow, Idaho<BR>><BR>>"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college <BR>>students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."<BR>><BR>>- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)<BR>><BR>><BR>>---------------------------------<BR>><BR>> From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com <BR>>[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ivie<BR>>Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:37 PM<BR>>To: Moscow Vision 2020<BR>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and More Political Contributions<BR>><BR>><BR>> Nothing is ever certain in horse races or politics. All the money in <BR>>the world doesn't win an election. It does
help though. Send your checks <BR>>to...<BR>><BR>>Donovan Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>> I cannot wait to see who wins the third seat for the four year term. I <BR>>really think it looks like Tom Lamar, Wayne Krauss, and Dan Carscallen are <BR>>going to be fighting for the last two seats. I think Aaron Ament with a big <BR>>load a cash, incumbency, and being liberal in a liberal town is definitely <BR>>going to place in the top three. I am also certain that Walter Steed will <BR>>win.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Best,<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Donovan<BR>><BR>>Tom Ivie <THE_IVIES3@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>><BR>> One person contributed $4,000 to a city election? What are we, Boise <BR>>or Seattle? or is that what they want us to be? What does one person have <BR>>to gain by providing so much money in a little race? like ours? Nothing <BR>>against the candidates though, good for them to have a big
spending <BR>>benefactor.<BR>><BR>>Tom Hansen <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM>wrote:<BR>> >From Dale Courtney's blog at:<BR>><BR>>http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/10/31/55739.aspx<BR>><BR>>------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>>"Hey, Big Spender<BR>><BR>>I have a copy of all of the City Council Candidates' Campaign Financial<BR>>Disclosure Reports.<BR>><BR>>I'll post them shortly.<BR>><BR>>Of interest is how much money the candidates have received.<BR>><BR>>Aaron Ament: $9,475<BR>>Tom Lamar: $8,817<BR>>Walter Steed: $6,936<BR>>Wayne Krauss: $6,135<BR>>Dan Carscallen: $4,545<BR>>Linda Pall: $3,910<BR>>Evan Holmes: $1,992<BR>>Bill London accuses the GMA candidates of being the "big spending" group.<BR>><BR>>Seems like most of the money is being funneled to the liberal candidates.<BR>><BR>>If money is any indication, the libs have their bets set on
Ament.<BR>><BR>>Heaven help us."<BR>><BR>>------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>>Although it is important to learn how much money has been contributed to<BR>>each candidate, it is vitally more important to learn from where that money<BR>>was contributed.<BR>><BR>>Your attention is invited to the Financial Disclosure reports located at:<BR>><BR>>http://www.MoscowElection2007.com<BR>><BR>>A review of the Financial Disclosure Reports submitted by Dan Carscallen,<BR>>Walter Steed, Wayne Krauss, and the Greater Moscow Alliance Political <BR>>Action<BR>>Committee reflects contributions in the amount of $1,000 to each of the<BR>>aforementioned by Palouse Rental and Construction.<BR>><BR>>Who is Palouse Rental and Construction you ask?<BR>><BR>>As mentioned earlier by Mark Solomon in an earlier posting
at:<BR>><BR>>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-October/049113.html<BR>><BR>>"As I'm always interested in who is contributing big $$ in elections, I<BR>>looked it up and saw Palouse Rentals and Construction had donated $1000 to<BR>>GMA. Maybe I'm just out of the loop, but I did not know that name. A quick<BR>>search on the Sec'y of State website gives up John Ficca as the president <BR>>of<BR>>the corporation, which, by the way, has been administratively dissolved by<BR>>the Sec'y of State for failure to file annual reports since 2004."<BR>><BR>>It appears that this defunct company is/was headed by John Ficca, who back<BR>>in 2000 . . .<BR>><BR>>http://www.lni.wa.gov/news/2000/pr000214a.asp<BR>><BR>>"TUMWATER - An Idaho employer must pay more than $95,000 in unpaid wages to<BR>>12 current and former employees in the Spokane area according to a<BR>>settlement agreement announced today by the Department
of Labor and<BR>>Industries.<BR>><BR>>John Ficca, of Moscow, Idaho, owner of Art's Electric, Inc., also has been<BR>>permanently prohibited from bidding on or performing work on future public<BR>>works projects in Washington. Ficca also does business as Palouse Country<BR>>Electric and U Cities Contracting."<BR>><BR>>It appears that perhaps the state of Idaho may be interested in the <BR>>business<BR>>posture of "Palouse Rental and Construction" as it makes political<BR>>contributions to a select few (Steed, Krauss, and Carscallen) of Moscow's<BR>>city council candidates.<BR>><BR>>One can only wonder how Moscow will be divvied up . . . er . . . uh . . . I<BR>>mean rezoned come January if Palouse Rental and Construction should gain<BR>>three seats on our city council.<BR>><BR>>Things that make you go . . .<BR>><BR>>Hmmm.<BR>><BR>>Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>><BR>>Tom Hansen<BR>>Moscow,
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