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<DIV>Donovan,</DIV>
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<DIV>Obviously, it would be nice to keep businesses here. However, now
that the corridor development is on the verge of occurring, many businesses
will want to be in the corridor for competitive reasons -- plunked down in the
population center of Moscow/Pullman. If allowed to develop, the Whitman
County corridor is a natural place for businesses to locate. My point was
not that it is great that businesses are going to want to go to Whitman County,
but that IF businesses are to go there, then an exodus of auto dealerships would
seem to have less adverse consequences.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I did not follow all you said in your first paragraph, but at least
one of your other points was inapt. "We lose the cash flow of the
current business."? I believe that belongs to the business, not
us. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bruce</DIV>
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<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jeanlivingston@turbonet.com
href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">Bruce and Jean Livingston</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 29, 2007 11:23
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Dispel the
anti-growth myth</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bruce,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think losing any business to Pullman or Washington is not good. I
believe that the property taxes from James Toyota are better going to
Moscow than Washington. The sales and development on the land is another
income that will not come to Moscow either. In addition we lose the cash flow
of the current business. So it is a negative tax flow out no matter how you
slice it, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I also believe, maybe someone else has the actual numbers, that Moscow
gets more in tax dollars per population than it pays in because of the
University. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><B><I>Bruce and Jean Livingston
<jeanlivingston@turbonet.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>Frankly, of all the businesses that might be lost to the corridor, the
automobile dealerships make the most sense, from a Moscow perspective.
Even with the dealerships located in Moscow, we get NONE of the sales tax
dollars on sales to Whitman County residents on our auto sales in Moscow; we
only get the sales tax on sales to Idaho residents. Conversely,
Whitman County auto sales in the corridor will not generate any sales tax
for Washington on cars purchased by Idahoans; Idaho will get all of the
sales tax on automobile sales to Idahoans at Whitman County
dealerships. The loss to us would basically be the convenience of
going to James Toyota in town, and instead having to go further.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But if the corridor is to develop, filling it with auto dealerships
would be one way of getting taxes back into Idaho from there. Of
course, aesthetically, it would be a tragedy, but that will be Whitman's
call, not ours. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Unfortunately, the tax benefit will be felt primarily in Boise,
not here in Moscow itself, since local sales tax is not tied to the
community that generates it. It all goes to Boise, and they kick a
very small percentage of the state-wide take back to the cities and
counties. But that is also why retail is not as significant a
contributor to the local tax base as many people suppose, even for the
retail businesses that are located in Moscow.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bruce Livingston</DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A
title=bevbafus@verizon.net href="mailto:bevbafus@verizon.net">Bev
Bafus</A> ; <A title=sslund@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:sslund@roadrunner.com">Saundra Lund</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 29, 2007 8:55
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Dispel the
anti-growth myth</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Keely,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I believe that the current Wal Mart building and huge parking lot
would have served as the perfect location for James Toyota. But because
Moscow leadership rejected Wal-Marts attempt to expand their service to
the community, it prevents James Toyota, a local business, from also
expanding his service while remaining in the community. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anti-business attitudes have ripple effects on the community. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>keely emerinemix <<A
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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I disagree that the city has "lost" James Toyota as it plans its
westward expansion. <BR><BR>Moscow sits right on the
Washington/Moscow border. If James Toyota, located as near the
border as it can be while still being in Idaho, wants to grow, it will
seek expansion on a highly traveled corridor -- say, a newly widened
four-lane highway from Pullman to Moscow. It wouldn't want to
locate at Steakhouse Hill north of Moscow; there's not enough traffic
from Potlatch to warrant it, and CdA has a Toyota dealership.
Maybe south of town on 95 would make sense, except that the
Lewiston-Clarkston area has a Toyota dealership -- again, no need for
them to travel to Moscow. You couldn't get enough traffic on the
Troy Highway east of Moscow to justify putting it there; it's true that
Bovill lacks a Toyota dealership, but they go west to buy -- Pullman
residents don't go east, generally, to shop. The only point on the
compass that makes sense for James is to go West on the Moscow-Pullman
highway.<BR><BR>Unfortunately, Moscow is bumped up right to the state
line -- I could barely park my (Toyota) car west of the westernmost
building, the Appaloosa Club, and still be in Idaho. Pullman, on
the other hand, gets to claim the eight miles from its eastern border to
the state line, and that does give them an advantage (an advantage that,
while perhaps good for them, deserves oversight and comment from our
council). If Moscow began eight miles east of the straight line,
and that land were ripe for development, my guess is that James Toyota
would stay in Idaho, effectively drawing customers from all over the
Toyota dealer-deficient Palouse.<BR><BR>I can't comment on a lot of the
development on that corridor, but I think it's inaccurate to say that
Moscow "lost" James Toyota. <BR><BR>keely<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:04:00 -0700<BR>From:
donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>To: bevbafus@verizon.net;
sslund@roadrunner.com; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Dispel the anti-growth myth<BR><BR>
<DIV>I think the image of Moscow being anti-business is an accurate
perception. And it isn't new, it has just gotten worse. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am sure that many businesses have come to Moscow, even in
recent years. However, we are also losing a lot of businesses and are
blocking many of them from coming into Moscow. We also prevent
businesses from expanding and hiring more people. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have attended few city council meetings, but many of them were
about blocking some type of business or another. I remember the city
council rejecting an entire expansion of businesses behind
the Palouse Mall. Many local businesses have been pushed out of
the Palouse Mall and the city has done nothing to protect
them. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And as we all know, Moscow rejected a Wal-Mart Supercenter,
Naylor Farms, and Home Depot. Likewise it lost Toyota, Tidyman's, and
several wonderful restaurants, and a locally owned repair shop in
additions to a 1/2 downtown and in the Palouse Mall. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I do agree with Alturas as being an example of doing "The
Right Thing" to get a business in. But as I recall Aaron Ament was
against the expansion of that building, and more tax dollars were
put into that building than we have received in return. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think the biggest anti-business incentives for Moscow are its
property taxes. Moscow's taxes make Moscow an unaffordable city that
is unfriendly to businesses. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Bev Bafus <bevbafus@verizon.net></I></B>
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add a few expanding businesses. Northwest Management, where I
work,<BR>is currently doubling the size of our office. Northwest
River Supplies took<BR>over the Tidyman's building.<BR><BR>Any other
expanding businesses?<BR><BR>Bev<BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From:
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<BR>[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]On
Behalf Of Saundra Lund<BR>Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:26
PM<BR>To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: [Vision2020] Dispel the
anti-growth myth<BR><BR><BR>The letter below appears in today's
Daily News -- anyone care to add more to<BR>Ms. Sullivan's
list?<BR><BR>Also, do any of you GMAers care to provide a list of
new businesses that<BR>came to Moscow during any two-year period of
Comstock's reign and a list of<BR>businesses that were
denied?<BR><BR>I think it might be interested to have a
***factual*** comparison rather<BR>than just rumors designed to tear
down the community.<BR><BR><BR>Saundra Lund<BR><BR><BR>"Dispel the
anti-growth myth<BR><BR>I agree that having the "perception" of
being anti-growth/anti-business is<BR>harmful to the city of Moscow,
and I was driven to find out why that<BR>perception exists when
Wayne Krauss expressed concerns and asked, "Why do we<BR>have this
perception?" at a recent forum.<BR><BR>Since the most recently
elected council came into office in January 2006,<BR>more than 35
new businesses have opened in Moscow, including Old Navy,
Bed,<BR>Bath and Beyond, Cramer's Furniture, Dad's Diner, Marco
Polo, Nectar,<BR>Lilliput, Sisters Brew Coffeehouse, West of Paris,
Palouse Scoots, Moscow<BR>Bagel and Deli, Anytime Fitness, San
Miguels, Sure Shot Sporting Goods,<BR>Subway, and BioTracking just
to name a few. Many businesses have expanded<BR>and moved into
larger spaces during this time. Only two businesses were<BR>denied
by the city and these were both handled in the way that Walter
Steed<BR>states he would address a pig farm wanting to locate behind
his property;<BR>they were denied in the specific proposed locations
in accordance with<BR>zoning regulations. Never did city officials
say they were not wanted in<BR>Moscow.<BR><BR>Back to the question
posed by Krauss: "Why do we have this perception?" For<BR>the
answer, I would look to recent advertisements in the
Moscow-Pullman<BR>Daily News for Krauss, Steed and Carscallen in
which the headline calls the<BR>current city leadership "anti-growth
politicians." I would pay attention to<BR>who is repeating this
anti-growth message over and over.<BR><BR>I believe Dan Carscallen
is concerned when he says, "Changing the perception<BR>is the thing
that needs to happen," and if we can all agree that this
is<BR>harmful, we should all agree to stop, to dispel this myth and
to promote<BR>Moscow.<BR><BR>Brandy Sullivan,
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