<DIV>Joe,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think you presented a "false dilemma". Hansen's posts being insulting or not insulting are not dependent upon any previous post made by Mr. Crabtree. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On another note, why do you consider being called "Mr. Campbell" insulting?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Joe Campbell <joekc@adelphia.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I responded to Donovan but neglected to hit 'reply all' so it is stuck in his mailbox.<BR><BR>The main point of that post concerns your quote:<BR><BR>"To belittle is to insult no matter how you slice it." -- Gary Crabtree<BR><BR>I think you're forced with a dilemma. Either you admit that the GMA is the party of hate <BR>or you admit that Donovan did not win the bet.<BR><BR>If, as you suggest, belittling is insulting, then you
insult people regularly. In every one of <BR>your posts you belittle. At least this much is true: In every one of your posts to me, you <BR>belittle me. Even in this post, where you're nice-on-the-whole, you throw in a 'Mr. <BR>Campbell.' I've told you on a number of occasions that I don’t like that label yet you <BR>persist. Maybe I'm soft and 'Mr. Campbell' isn't an insult. But there is no question that <BR>you belittle me by calling me 'Mr. Campbell' and by your general comments about my <BR>job as a philosopher -- which is really a criticism of the academy as a whole. If making <BR>fun of someone's name and someone’s job is not belittling, I'm not sure what is.<BR><BR>If belittling is insulting, then you insult on an everyday basis. Given that you accept the <BR>quote above, you seem to think insulting is fine, acceptable behavior. And so do the other <BR>GMA candidates and members. None of them have mentioned that insulting my job, <BR>calling me by a name that I
don't like is insulting and beyond bounds. Thus, the GMA <BR>thinks that it is fine to insult people as long as they don't share their political views. <BR><BR>This is just the politics of hate. If what you say above is correct, then the GMA endorses <BR>the politics of hate -- the politics of Wilson, etc.<BR><BR>The choice is yours. Either what Hansen says was an insult, because it was belittling, and <BR>Donovan wins the bet AND the GMA practices the politics of hate. Or what you said <BR>was wrong, belittling is not insulting, and Donovan has not yet won the bet.<BR><BR>The choice is yours.<BR><BR>Best, Joe<BR><BR>---- "g. crabtree" <JAMPOT@ROADRUNNER.COM>wrote: <BR><BR>=============<BR>But someone as rude and insulting as Mr. Campbell does? I guess there's no standard like a double standard.<BR><BR>But enough of this fractious back and forth, in the spirit of reasoned discourse as exemplified by Mr. Harkins and Mr. Livingston, I suggest that we abandon searching for
differences and identify the small areas where our thoughts overlap. It appears that at the very least we are in agreement that the post that kicked off this "discussion" did contain a gratuitous insult to Mr. Arnold. From such an insignificant seed may future understanding blossom!<BR><BR>g<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Joe Campbell" <JOEKC@ADELPHIA.NET><BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM><BR>Cc: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:29 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sub-minimum wage<BR><BR><BR>> Someone who is as rude and insulting as Crabtree has no right lecturing <BR>> others. That was the point.<BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Joe Campbell<BR>> <BR>> "To belittle is to insult no matter how you slice it." -- Gary Crabtree<BR>> <BR>> ---- Donovan Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote: <BR>> <BR>> =============<BR>> Joe,<BR>> <BR>> I think you are missing Gary's point. Hansen
made an bet he would not insult people anymore. Gary never made that agreement. <BR>> <BR>> Best,<BR>> <BR>> Donovan<BR>> <BR>> Joe Campbell <JOEKC@ADELPHIA.NET>wrote:<BR>> I just love how Crabtree is so quick to note insults coming from his opponents <BR>> but so blind when he delivers them himself!<BR>> <BR>> The constant application of such double-standards and lack of self-awareness <BR>> from the NSA/CC/GMA crowd makes me sick.<BR>> <BR>> Joe Campbell<BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------ <BR>> <BR>> Message: 2 <BR>> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:32:44 -0700 <BR>> From: "g. crabtree" <BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sub-minimum wage <BR>> To: "Tom Hansen" , , <BR>> "'Donovan Arnold'" <BR>> Message-ID: <03a901c81713$e8b8c5e0$6401a8c0@gmc> <BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" <BR>> <BR>> Wiggle & squirm. An insult doesn't have <BR>> to be something as blatant as
"Gary, you <BR>> ignorant slut..." To belittle is to insult <BR>> no matter how you slice it. Don't worry, <BR>> I don't think that anyone reading this <BR>> will be surprised by your evasion. The <BR>> surprise would have been had you not. <BR>> <BR>> g <BR>> <BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>> http://www.fsr.net <BR>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> =======================================================<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> __________________________________________________<BR>> Do You Yahoo!?<BR>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <BR>> http://mail.yahoo.com <BR>> <BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse
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