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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Good for the neighbors on Ridge I suppose. I fail
to see the benefit to the overall economic well being of the community. Since I
don't know where Luder is I'm hard pressed to have much more of an opinion. One
question that pops right to mind however would be doesn't a low density
neighborhood have to transition into higher densities somewhere? Duplexes sound
like a reasonable middle step. Better the mid density use of duplexes than full
blown high density apartment buildings. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jeanlivingston@turbonet.com
href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">jeanlivingston</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A> ; <A
title=bjswan@moscow.com href="mailto:bjswan@moscow.com">bjswan@moscow.com</A>
; <A title=lfalen@turbonet.com href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">'lfalen'</A>
; <A title=london@moscow.com href="mailto:london@moscow.com">'Bill London'</A>
; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'v2020'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:37
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] real economic
development in Moscow</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>How about not allowing the re-zone for duplexes in the low
density residential area between Luder/95 apts and the homes on Ridge etc. up
above on the hill. The developers wanted to change the undeveloped
middle ground bringing the high density stuff into the low density
neighborhood. BDL<BR>-----Original message-----<BR>From: "g. crabtree"
<A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A><BR>Date: Wed,
24 Oct 2007 07:29:29 -0700<BR>To: "Tom Hansen" <A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>, <A
href="mailto:bjswan@moscow.com">bjswan@moscow.com</A>, "'lfalen'" <A
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A>, "'Bill London'" <A
href="mailto:london@moscow.com">london@moscow.com</A>, "'v2020'" <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow<BR><BR>> Could you provide
an example or two of the current city council enforcing the city code in
relation to zoning and a brief description of how it helped to build a more
solid economic base to the benefit of all?<BR>> <BR>> Thank you,<BR>>
g<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Tom Hansen <BR>> To:
'g. crabtree' ; bjswan@moscow.com ; 'lfalen' ; 'Bill London' ; 'v2020'
<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:11 AM<BR>> Subject: RE:
[Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> One
approach that has been pursued by the current city council that is unique in
and of itself, although not as stringently pursued as most people would
appreciate, is to understand end enforce the city code, particularly that
portion related to zoning.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> For the last two
years the people of Moscow enjoyed a city council that did not "rubber stamp"
everything that came before them. The city code was applied as a standard
across the board and not merely something to line a bird cage.<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Let's hope this continues.<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>> <BR>> Tom
Hansen<BR>> Moscow, Idaho<BR>> <BR>> "We're a town of about 23,000
with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in
local elections (thank goodness!)."<BR>> <BR>> - Dale Courtney (March
28, 2007) <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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<BR>> From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] On Behalf Of g. crabtree<BR>> Sent:
Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:00 AM<BR>> To: bjswan@moscow.com; 'lfalen';
'Bill London'; 'v2020'<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic
development in Moscow<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I guess if it's not
fawning agreement, it's distortion. (Or personal attack in one notable
case)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I can think of several instances
where the city has made decisions<BR>> <BR>> that were not particularly
favorable to ALL economic sectors. <BR>> <BR>> Various aspects of the
big box and dark store ordinances leap<BR>> <BR>> immediately to mind
along with the ill conceived boarding<BR>> <BR>> house amendment.
Perhaps you would care to take a stab <BR>> <BR>> at turning me away
from my evil ways and point out a few of the "many"<BR>> <BR>> wonderful
things the current city government has done to "Build a more solid<BR>>
<BR>> economic base to the benefit of all." From my perspective, it seems
that<BR>> <BR>> their overriding concern is to maintain some sort of
warped status quo.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> g<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
<BR>> From: "B. J. Swanson" <BJSWAN@MOSCOW.COM /><BR>> <BR>> To: "'g.
crabtree'" <JAMPOT@ROADRUNNER.COM />; "'lfalen'" <LFALEN@TURBONET.COM />;
"'Bill London'" <LONDON@MOSCOW.COM />; "'v2020'" <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM
/><BR>> <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:11 AM<BR>> <BR>>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> > Gary,<BR>> > <BR>> > You seem to be the
master of distortion lately. Perhaps if you had attended<BR>> > and
heard the whole story you might have more of a clue instead of missing<BR>>
> the point completely. "Focusing" on one economic sector doesn't equate
to<BR>> > standing in the way of others. <BR>> > <BR>> > The
current City government has done many things to build a more solid<BR>>
> economic base to benefit ALL of Moscow instead of just a few. <BR>>
> <BR>> > B. J. Swanson<BR>> > <BR>> >
------------------------<BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original
Message-----<BR>> > From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<BR>> > On Behalf Of g.
crabtree<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:28 PM<BR>> > To:
lfalen; Bill London; v2020<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real
economic development in Moscow<BR>> > <BR>> > What has yet to be
explained is how you attract high tech businesses without<BR>> >
<BR>> > attracting business in general. Setting the city council up as
some sort of <BR>> > business border guard with the power to say "come
on in" to some and "we <BR>> > don't much care the likes of you" to
others should not be a function of city<BR>> > <BR>> > government
or anyone else for that matter.<BR>> > <BR>> > It's hard to
imagine a statement more arrogant than:<BR>> > <BR>> > "...Moscow
needs to wean itself from a housing and retail fixation about <BR>> >
growth. "Our voracious appetite to approve subdivision after subdivision,
to<BR>> > <BR>> > build high-end homes, has run out of high-end
people to occupy them," <BR>> > Swanson said, adding that new retail
businesses seem to be only replacing <BR>> > old ones.<BR>> >
<BR>> > "Over-built housing and replacement retail is not a good
economic model..."<BR>> > <BR>> > Aren't we lucky that someone who
is infinitely smarter than our builders <BR>> > will call a halt to high
end homes being erected. Goodness knows the <BR>> > builder, who is the
one taking the risk, couldn't be bright enough to assess<BR>> > <BR>>
> the potential for profit or loss. If the market were to truly be
saturated, <BR>> > I would imagine that banks might decline to lend the
builder or buyer money.<BR>> > <BR>> > Then again the
builder/buyer could always seek alternate forms of financing.<BR>> >
<BR>> > (Does any of this sound like the market sorting itself
out?)<BR>> > <BR>> > If a new retail business comes to Moscow and
captures an old business's <BR>> > market, one would have to assume that
there was a perfectly good reason for <BR>> > that to have happened.
Either they had a better product, a better price, or <BR>> > better
service. I don't believe there is anyone in Moscow prescient enough <BR>>
> to decide that any one existing business is the apex of quality, the
<BR>> > standard by which all others should be judged, and that no new
competitor <BR>> > may come in and try their hand at providing something
better or different. <BR>> > Often new businesses goad old enterprises
into running a better operation <BR>> > and everybody wins. Why would we
want to interfere in this natural process <BR>> > of
improvement?<BR>> > <BR>> > I suppose encouraging high tech biz is
wonderful, however it might magically<BR>> > <BR>> > be done, but
standing in the way of other entrepreneurs so a select few can <BR>> >
hold on to their nebulous notion of a unique Moscow is elitist, short <BR>>
> sighted, and just plain wrong. I'm sure that Dan, Wayne, and Walter are
<BR>> > bright enough to know when to get out of the way and allow
people with a <BR>> > vision to have at it. The function of city
government should be to work <BR>> > toward a prosperous and welcoming
environment for all. Candidates who would <BR>> > presume to tell others
how their lives ought to be lived should be shown the<BR>> > <BR>>
> door.<BR>> > <BR>> > g<BR>> > <BR>> > -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: "lfalen" <LFALEN@TURBONET.COM
/><BR>> > To: "Bill London" <LONDON@MOSCOW.COM />; "v2020"
<VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM /><BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:34
AM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic development in
Moscow<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >>I can't argue with bringing
in high-tech companies, I'm all for it. I think<BR>> > <BR>>
>>Moscow should try to attract all kinds of businesses. It is fine to
place <BR>> >>controls on those that would create undue pollution.
Other than that <BR>> >>promote almost anything that will provide
jobs, increase the tax base and <BR>> >>improve the overall
economy.<BR>> >> Roger<BR>> >> -----Original
message-----<BR>> >> From: "Bill London" london@moscow.com<BR>>
>> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:58:18 -0700<BR>> >> To: "v2020"
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >> Subject: [Vision2020] real economic
development in Moscow<BR>> >><BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> Today's Tribune article about the MCA forum held last night is a
great <BR>> >>> summary of the choices facing Moscow voters in
this council election. <BR>> >>> Vote for the future with MCA
endorsed candidates and Moscow will aim for <BR>> >>> both
maintaining its uniqueness and attracting more entrepreneurial <BR>>
>>> businesses. My thanks to the MCA board for sponsoring this forum.
BL<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> ----------------<BR>>
>>> Is high-tech the key to Moscow's future?<BR>> >>>
Forum sponsored by Moscow Civic Association brings together business and
<BR>> >>> community leaders<BR>> >>> By David
Johnson<BR>> >>> October 23, 2007<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> MOSCOW - The economic future of Moscow will
depend more on attracting and<BR>> > <BR>> >>> retaining
high-tech companies than encouraging more housing and retail <BR>>
>>> business, members of a panel agreed Monday night.<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> "In the basic form, economic development is
jobs," said B.J. Swanson, <BR>> >>> vice president of AmericanWest
Bank here and chairwoman of the board of <BR>> >>> directors for
Gritman Medical Center. "But not just any job." She said <BR>> >>>
jobs should provide enough money to offer a reasonably comfortable <BR>>
>>> living.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Robin Woods,
president of Alturas Analytics located in Moscow, said 100 <BR>>
>>> percent of her bio-tech business comes from outside Idaho, most
of it <BR>> >>> from the San Francisco Bay Area. Yet, she and her
partners opted to <BR>> >>> locate here because of the quality of
life that's available<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> "Probably it
would have been better to locate in San Francisco or <BR>> >>>
Seattle, but with Fed Ex and the fiber-optic that we have ... and with
<BR>> >>> the Internet, the world is flat and we can conduct our
business here," <BR>> >>> Woods said.<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> David Alexander, a UI graduate and CEO of Ivus Industries, a
small <BR>> >>> business he decided to locate here, said Moscow is
an ideal location for <BR>> >>> entrepreneurs to tap into a
high-tech labor pool that spins off both the <BR>> >>> University
of Idaho and neighboring Washington State University in <BR>> >>>
Pullman.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> "What the business is, is a
focus on extremely fast-charging rechargeable<BR>> > <BR>>
>>> products," Alexander said of his startup company. He said the
company, <BR>> >>> which has four employees, is currently
developing a fast-charging <BR>> >>> flashlight.<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> Judy Brown, an economist and director of the
Idaho Center on Budget and <BR>> >>> Tax Policy, said research
shows if a community creates a good living <BR>> >>> environment,
jobs will come. "The key thing that attracts" entrepreneurs <BR>>
>>> and businesses to an area, Brown said, is quality of life, not
tax <BR>> >>> breaks.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
"Quality of life and the ability to work either from home or near home,"
<BR>> >>> she said, "are the two really key things in deciding
where people locate <BR>> >>> those kinds of businesses."<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> The forum, sponsored by the Moscow Civic
Association, comes two weeks <BR>> >>> prior to a city council
election here that many say hinges on attitudes <BR>> >>> about
economic growth. Bruce Livingston, president of the MCA, said the <BR>>
>>> forum was called in part to dispel the notion that the MCA is
<BR>> >>> anti-economic growth. He said the MCA is "pro business,
pro growth and <BR>> >>> pro community."<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> About 30 people, including several council
candidates, attended the forum<BR>> > <BR>> >>> at the 1912
Center.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Swanson said Moscow needs to
wean itself from a housing and retail <BR>> >>> fixation about
growth. "Our voracious appetite to approve subdivision <BR>> >>>
after subdivision, to build high-end homes, has run out of high-end <BR>>
>>> people to occupy them," Swanson said, adding that new retail
businesses <BR>> >>> seem to be only replacing old ones.<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> "Over-built housing and replacement retail
is not a good economic model,"<BR>> > <BR>> >>> Swanson
said.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> According to statistics
presented at the forum, Moscow has a population <BR>> >>> of about
22,350 and UI employs about 2,870 people. Gritman employs 431, <BR>>
>>> with the Moscow School District and Wal-Mart, by comparison,
employing <BR>> >>> 350 and 207 people, respectively.<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> Swanson said it's time for the community to
get back on the right <BR>> >>> economic track with the primary
focus on good-paying jobs and a secondary<BR>> > <BR>> >>>
focus on housing and retail business. "And as always, focus on anything
<BR>> >>> that will help the University of Idaho. They've carried
us for years. <BR>> >>> It's time for us to get out and carry
ourselves."<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> All the panelists said
Moscow city officials and members of the city <BR>> >>> council
have been extremely pro-business.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
"Our intent is to hire WSU and University of Idaho graduates," Woods
said<BR>> > <BR>> >>> about her expanding business. She said
that all but one of the 30 people <BR>> >>> working at Alturas
Analytics are from the two universities. Woods said <BR>> >>> it's
important for Moscow to complete it's rewrite of the comprehensive <BR>>
>>> plan, and to keep tech businesses together to encourage more
business.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> "I think it's important to
have kind of a think-tank atmosphere," she <BR>> >>> said, "kind
of a campus atmosphere in your tech park. So I don't think <BR>>
>>> it's a good idea to scatter things here and there."<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> Swanson pointed out Alturas Technology Park,
located on the southeastern <BR>> >>> edge of town, had modest
beginnings, but now is home to around 150 jobs <BR>> >>> that have
annual salaries of $50,000 and up. "And those jobs really <BR>>
>>> contribute back to the community," she said.<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> ---<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> Johnson may be contacted at deveryone@potlatch.com or (208)
883-0564.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>>
>>><BR>> >><BR>> >>
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