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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Instead of yet another <yawn> Crabtree Diatribe, how about
answering the questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>“</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you saw City irrigation outside the allowed hours, did you
ever <b>once</b> walk across the street or pick up the phone to ask what the
deal was as any reasonable person would do? If so, what was the
explanation? Or did you just decide to file it away in your personal
arsenal of “Reasons to Hate Our Current Not a Good Ol’ Boy Mayor
and Council”?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you’re not a part of the solution, you’re a part
of the problem.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> g. crabtree
[mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Saundra Lund; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Please
don't misunderstand, It's not a question of whether I like it or not. I
actually couldn't care less. It just seems a might incongruous coming from
someone who pays such an inordinate amount of lip service to the whole
tolerance and diversity mythos. I guess you're just like everyone else. You
tolerate what you agree with and everything else becomes non-creditable
and offensive.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Just
a couple of things before I go. I realize that your bile is a result of my
not taking you and Ms. Husky's little shoebox crusade seriously and has little
or nothing to do with anything beyond that. No problem. The loss of your
respect ranks right up there with missing an installment of Oprah.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Second,
I don't hate our Mayor or any member of the city council. I'm sure that away
from their poorly performed jobs that they are perfectly fine people.
The ones that I have spent any real time dealing with are actually quite
pleasant, in fact. I save hate for matters of a much more personal and
pressing nature but that's just me. You feel free to haul it on out for
whatever little matter that manages to ruffle your tail feathers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>g</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:sslund@roadrunner.com"
title="sslund@roadrunner.com">Saundra Lund</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" title="jampot@roadrunner.com">'g. crabtree'</a>
; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" title="vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Sunday, October 21,
2007 11:00 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> RE: [Vision2020]
Water Concern?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Not working right across from City Hall, I never saw that they
were watering outside the permissible hours – whenever I was there (early
morning task force throughout the summer of 2005), the water was off by the time
the meetings were over. Personally, I’ve never been to City Hall
and seen the water running outside the allowed hours, but again, I don’t
work right there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you saw City irrigation outside the allowed hours, did you
ever <b>once</b> walk across the street or pick up the phone to ask what the
deal was as any reasonable person would do? If so, what was the
explanation? Or did you just decide to file it away in your personal
arsenal of “Reasons to Hate Our Current Not a Good Ol’ Boy Mayor
and Council”?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you’re not a part of the solution, you’re a part
of the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You also wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>“</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'm
also sorry that being in disagreement with you and those of your ideological
bent makes me a lying phony. It's a pity that you feel that differing opinions
is adequate cause to call for enmity and the assignment
of enemy status.”</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I suggest you look back at your own posts, Mr. Crabtree.
At long last, you’re simply getting back from me what you put out, and if
you don’t like it, I suggest you ditch the dysfunctional method of
communication you’ve chosen to adopt more recently. We know from
past posts that you certainly <b>are</b> capable of more civil communication,
so I’m finished giving you a pass on your shrill screeds peppered with
inaccuracies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Not that I think you give a rip, but I was glad when you first
appeared on V2020 – I found some of what you posted thought provoking,
interesting, and informative, and my opinion was you did a decent job of
presenting thoughts and ideas even though I didn’t agree with many of
your opinions. Over time, though, you’ve become more and more
offensive, and any effective communication of your thoughts and views has been
lost in your new chosen method of communication. In short, you’ve
lost any manners you ever had and your credibility to boot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Natural consequences, Mr. Crabtree, natural consequences, and if
you don’t like it, you have no further to look than yourself.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> g. crabtree
[mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 20, 2007 8:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Saundra Lund; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'm
sorry, my mistake, but it doesn't change the fact that the city was making no
effort to do it's watering within the prescribed hours, not that it matters
over much in the greater scheme of things. I'm also sorry that being in
disagreement with you (to say nothing of being off by two whole hours!) and
those of your ideological bent makes me a lying phony. It's a pity that you
feel that differing opinions is adequate cause to call for
enmity and the assignment of enemy status.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>g</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:sslund@roadrunner.com"
title="sslund@roadrunner.com">Saundra Lund</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" title="vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Saturday, October
20, 2007 5:14 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Vision2020]
Water Concern?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In part, Gary Crabtree wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>“</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Why
was the watering done outside the hours that the rest of the citizens of Moscow
were told were optimum. (and legally mandated) Do playfields not get
"bouncy" when watered after 6:00 PM and before 8:00
AM?”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Not that I think Gary Crabtree gives a rip about facts (I
don’t), but just so his twisting of facts to make a phony point
doesn’t confuse any us who do care about facts, the outdoor watering
hours are 6 PM to 10 AM from April 1 to October 31:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.ci.moscow.id.us/citycode/TITLE05/chapter17.pdf"><span
style='color:#1F497D'>http://www.ci.moscow.id.us/citycode/TITLE05/chapter17.pdf</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>“<b>Sec. 17-4. Outdoor Irrigation Season and Hours.</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>From April 1 to October 31, outdoor irrigation shall be allowed
only between the hours of 6:00 p.m. and 10:00 a.m. local time, unless modified
by City Engineer. Outdoor irrigation by means of soaker hose(s), (water
weeping types) or drip irrigation systems may occur at any time during the
outdoor irrigation season specified herein.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>(Ord. 2004-27; 05/17/2004)”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sorry to confuse the issue with the facts . . . NOT </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>g. crabtree<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bill London; Bruce and Jean Livingston; vision2020@moscow.com; Mark
Solomon<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>My
skepticism runneth over. How does this apply to the soggy sidewalks at
city hall? I might buy this for the soccer fields by the youth center or the
park at mountain view which are actual playfields but it doesn't fly for east
city or gormley. Why was the watering done outside the hours that the rest of
the citizens of Moscow were told were optimum. (and legally mandated) Do
playfields not get "bouncy" when watered after 6:00 PM and
before 8:00 AM? How does this address the desire of our current city government
to acquire additional ground that will consume additional water? If it's all
about the liability of falling down on a hard surface why are we allowing
tennis courts and basketball courts to remain open to say nothing of the
exceedingly non-bouncy skate park? If the city is accepting liability for
injuries received on surfaces lacking in bounce I would have to suggest that
they do something about those nasty sidewalks that seem to be cropping up
everywhere. Or perhaps it will be your contention that this is what explains
the damp concrete around city hall?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>g</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:london@moscow.com"
title="london@moscow.com">Bill London</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" title="jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</a>
; <a href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com"
title="jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">Bruce and Jean Livingston</a> ; <a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" title="vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
; <a href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com" title="msolomon@moscow.com">Mark Solomon</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Saturday, October
20, 2007 1:04 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Vision2020]
Water Concern?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Before
accusing the city of Moscow of massive hypocracy in watering parkland, perhaps
you should discuss this issue with the parks department people.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
did.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Their
reason for watering the grass is safety and liability. Dry
playfields are less "bouncy" than green lawns. Kids get hurt
more playing on dry grass than on green grass.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So,
the parks department opts for safety.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>BL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"
title="jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com" title="jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">Bruce
and Jean Livingston</a> ; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
title="vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> ; <a
href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com" title="msolomon@moscow.com">Mark Solomon</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Thursday, October
18, 2007 7:36 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Vision2020]
Water Concern?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Interesting.
If the incumbent candidates you favor are so concerned (and
"responsible") with water usage in Moscow, unlike their challengers,
why did the city of Moscow not follow its own regulations for lawn watering?
The grass (and sidewalks) around city hall sure received more than its fair
share of water as did gormley mtn. view and east city park. Why do they
continually favor the dedication of additional park land? Land which, like the
golf course in Pullman, will require huge amounts of water to maintain. I have
not heard the candidates your organization endorses make any resolutions to
address the water issues in Moscow other than in the form of anti-growth
anti-business rhetoric. If it's outrageous to want to have a green lawn and an
aesthetically pleasant and restful cemetery why not apply the same standard to
city property? (300 sq. ft. of xeriscape at the 1912 bldg. excepted, of
course.) I believe that as far as the MCA candidates are concerned the water
issue is a tool first and a genuine concern a distant second.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>g</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com"
title="jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">Bruce and Jean Livingston</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" title="jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</a>
; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" title="vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
; <a href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com" title="msolomon@moscow.com">Mark Solomon</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Thursday, October
18, 2007 5:20 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Vision2020]
Water Concern?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Gary says,
while discussing Mark's suggestion that the Wanapum aquifer likely will be in
crisis mode in 15-20 years:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>"Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120 years? Could be
we really don't know <br>
for sure? Could be that Krauss, Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a handle <br>
on the water situation as any of the MCA candidates do."<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Not so,
Gary. The GMA candidates are "ostriches" with their collective
heads in the sand. And they are very poor stewards of the environment. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I think if
you follow the usage curves for when the Wanapum got depleted once before, our
current usage curves and increase in number of wells going dry shows
that we are going down the same path and very likely going to be facing the
"crisis" referenced by Mark in about 15-20 years (not
the century or more that you speculate) -- unless we do something to
curb usage of the Wanapum. We had to do this once before, more than
40 years ago, when we essentially stopped pumping the Wanapum in the City of Moscow
because the Wanapum was going dry. We (City of Moscow) punched a well
into the Grand Ronde aquifer and started pumping it, instead, which allowed the
Wanapum to re-charge. We started drawing on the
Wanapum again, more recently (80s?), and the usage is tracking what went
on in the first half to mid-20th century.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I have
several nearby friends within a mile of Moscow whose wells have gone dry this
year. It is fact, not a mirage or doomsaying, and the failure of the GMA
candidates to learn from history while they watch it repeat itself is quite
remarkable. I would suggest that it shows just how foolhardy they are,
and I really get a kick out of those GMA PAC ads showing swimmers
splashing around in lots of water, while their candidates essentially say
"use more and grow green lawns," and "don't worry about
frittering it away; since Pullman is, we should too."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>That race to
consume, just like WSU's decision to throw 50 million gallons on a golf course,
is environmentally irresponsible conduct of a very high order. GMA
candidates don't chastise Pullman for that; they instead assert that we
shouldn't bother to conserve and not have green lawns, since they're not
conserving across the border in Pullman and at WSU. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'll take the
more responsible attitude of the MCA candidates. No surprise there, of
course. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>We'll
watch out for our water. We'll protect property rights and value in doing
so, while protecting neighborhoods and encouraging development that creates
real jobs that drive an economy, not just retail and housing. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a
href="http://www.moscowcivic.org/">http://www.moscowcivic.org/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>And we will
continue to do responsible things that are good for the City of Moscow, like
opposing the Naylor Farms strip mining project, unlike the GMA. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Bruce</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:
"g. crabtree" <</span><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>jampot@roadrunner.com</span></a><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To: "Joe
Campbell" <</span><a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>joekc@adelphia.net</span></a><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>; <</span><a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>vision2020@moscow.com</span></a><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>; "Mark Solomon" <</span><a
href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>msolomon@moscow.com</span></a><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:
Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Water Concern?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>I assume
the statement that includes "...regarding<br>
> the upper aquifer which if continued to be pumped at current levels could
be <br>
> in crisis as soon as 15-20 years from now." is couched that way to
leave <br>
> room for the obvious corollary?<br>
> <br>
> Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120 years? Could be we really don't
know <br>
> for sure? Could be that Krauss, Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a
handle <br>
> on the water situation as any of the MCA candidates do.<br>
> <br>
> g<br>
> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> From: "Mark Solomon" <</span><a
href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>msolomon@moscow.com</span></a><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>><br>
> To: "Joe Campbell" <</span><a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>joekc@adelphia.net</span></a><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>; <</span><a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>vision2020@moscow.com</span></a><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>><br>
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:34 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> I'd suggest the GMA candidates do some homework and actually read<br>
>> some of the studies/reports on our aquifer, particularly regarding<br>
>> the upper aquifer which if continued to be pumped at current levels<br>
>> could be in crisis as soon as 15-20 years from now. That aquifer<br>
>> currently supplies 30% of Moscow's water.<br>
>><br>
>> m.<br>
>><br>
>> At 11:51 AM -0700 10/18/07, Joe Campbell wrote:<br>
>>> >From the Johnson article noted above:<br>
>>><br>
>>>"I think it's been used as a way to stop growth in our town
and I<br>
>>>don't think that's a great idea," Carscallen said of the water
issue.<br>
>>><br>
>>>"We don't have a water emergency. I think most of us can agree
to<br>
>>>that," said Krauss. "We could have, at the least, 200
years of water<br>
>>>left. ... But right now, folks, I'm just really tired of seeing all<br>
>>>our yards just burned up, including the cemetery."<br>
>>><br>
>>>"I know that there are people who believe that we should be<br>
>>>showering with 5-gallon buckets, to flush our toilets with when we<br>
>>>get through," said Steed. "And I really don't want to
live that way."<br>
>>><br>
>>>Carscallen, Krauss and Ste! ed are all endorsed by the GMA.<br>
>>><br>
>>>--<br>
>>>Joe Campbell<br>
>><br>
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