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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please don't misunderstand, It's not a question of
whether I like it or not. I actually couldn't care less. It just seems a might
incongruous coming from someone who pays such an inordinate amount of lip
service to the whole tolerance and diversity mythos. I guess you're just like
everyone else. You tolerate what you agree with and everything else becomes
non-creditable and offensive.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just a couple of things before I go. I realize
that your bile is a result of my not taking you and Ms. Husky's little shoebox
crusade seriously and has little or nothing to do with anything beyond that. No
problem. The loss of your respect ranks right up there with missing an
installment of Oprah.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Second, I don't hate our Mayor or any member of the
city council. I'm sure that away from their poorly performed jobs that they are
perfectly fine people. The ones that I have spent any real time dealing
with are actually quite pleasant, in fact. I save hate for matters of a
much more personal and pressing nature but that's just me. You feel free to haul
it on out for whatever little matter that manages to ruffle your tail
feathers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sslund@roadrunner.com href="mailto:sslund@roadrunner.com">Saundra
Lund</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">'g. crabtree'</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:00
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] Water
Concern?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Not
working right across from City Hall, I never saw that they were watering
outside the permissible hours – whenever I was there (early morning task force
throughout the summer of 2005), the water was off by the time the meetings
were over. Personally, I’ve never been to City Hall and seen the water
running outside the allowed hours, but again, I don’t work right
there.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If
you saw City irrigation outside the allowed hours, did you ever <B>once</B>
walk across the street or pick up the phone to ask what the deal was as any
reasonable person would do? If so, what was the explanation? Or
did you just decide to file it away in your personal arsenal of “Reasons to
Hate Our Current Not a Good Ol’ Boy Mayor and Council”?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If
you’re not a part of the solution, you’re a part of the
problem.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">You
also wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">“</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I'm also sorry that
being in disagreement with you and those of your ideological bent makes me a
lying phony. It's a pity that you feel that differing opinions
is adequate cause to call for enmity and the assignment
of enemy status.”</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
suggest you look back at your own posts, Mr. Crabtree. At long last,
you’re simply getting back from me what you put out, and if you don’t like it,
I suggest you ditch the dysfunctional method of communication you’ve chosen to
adopt more recently. We know from past posts that you certainly
<B>are</B> capable of more civil communication, so I’m finished giving you a
pass on your shrill screeds peppered with inaccuracies.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Not
that I think you give a rip, but I was glad when you first appeared on V2020 –
I found some of what you posted thought provoking, interesting, and
informative, and my opinion was you did a decent job of presenting thoughts
and ideas even though I didn’t agree with many of your opinions. Over
time, though, you’ve become more and more offensive, and any effective
communication of your thoughts and views has been lost in your new chosen
method of communication. In short, you’ve lost any manners you ever had
and your credibility to boot.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Natural
consequences, Mr. Crabtree, natural consequences, and if you don’t like it,
you have no further to look than yourself.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saundra
Lund<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Moscow,
ID<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">~
Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007 through life plus 70
years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> g. crabtree
[mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 20, 2007
8:01 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Saundra Lund; vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I'm sorry, my
mistake, but it doesn't change the fact that the city was making no effort to
do it's watering within the prescribed hours, not that it matters over much in
the greater scheme of things. I'm also sorry that being in disagreement
with you (to say nothing of being off by two whole hours!) and those of your
ideological bent makes me a lying phony. It's a pity that you feel that
differing opinions is adequate cause to call for enmity and
the assignment of enemy status.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">g</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">----- Original
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=sslund@roadrunner.com href="mailto:sslund@roadrunner.com">Saundra
Lund</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Saturday,
October 20, 2007 5:14 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re: [Vision2020]
Water Concern?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">In
part, Gary Crabtree wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">“</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Why was the
watering done outside the hours that the rest of the citizens of Moscow were
told were optimum. (and legally mandated) Do playfields not get "bouncy"
when watered after 6:00 PM and before 8:00
AM?”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Not
that I think Gary Crabtree gives a rip about facts (I don’t), but just so
his twisting of facts to make a phony point doesn’t confuse any us who do
care about facts, the outdoor watering hours are 6 PM to 10 AM from April 1
to October 31:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.ci.moscow.id.us/citycode/TITLE05/chapter17.pdf"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d">http://www.ci.moscow.id.us/citycode/TITLE05/chapter17.pdf</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">“<B>Sec.
17-4. Outdoor Irrigation Season and Hours.</B><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">From
April 1 to October 31, outdoor irrigation shall be allowed only between the
hours of 6:00 p.m. and 10:00 a.m. local time, unless modified by City
Engineer. Outdoor irrigation by means of soaker hose(s), (water
weeping types) or drip irrigation systems may occur at any time during the
outdoor irrigation season specified herein.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">(Ord.
2004-27; 05/17/2004)”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Sorry
to confuse the issue with the facts . . . NOT </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saundra
Lund<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Moscow,
ID<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">~
Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2007 through life plus 70
years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>g. crabtree<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:43
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Bill London; Bruce and Jean Livingston;
vision2020@moscow.com; Mark Solomon<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020]
Water Concern?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">My skepticism
runneth over. How does this apply to the soggy sidewalks at city hall?
I might buy this for the soccer fields by the youth center or the park at
mountain view which are actual playfields but it doesn't fly for east city
or gormley. Why was the watering done outside the hours that the rest of the
citizens of Moscow were told were optimum. (and legally mandated) Do
playfields not get "bouncy" when watered after 6:00 PM and before
8:00 AM? How does this address the desire of our current city government to
acquire additional ground that will consume additional water? If it's all
about the liability of falling down on a hard surface why are we allowing
tennis courts and basketball courts to remain open to say nothing of the
exceedingly non-bouncy skate park? If the city is accepting liability for
injuries received on surfaces lacking in bounce I would have to suggest that
they do something about those nasty sidewalks that seem to be cropping up
everywhere. Or perhaps it will be your contention that this is what explains
the damp concrete around city hall?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">g</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">----- Original
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=london@moscow.com href="mailto:london@moscow.com">Bill London</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> ; <A title=jeanlivingston@turbonet.com
href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">Bruce and Jean Livingston</A> ;
<A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=msolomon@moscow.com href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com">Mark
Solomon</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Saturday,
October 20, 2007 1:04 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[Vision2020] Water Concern?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Before accusing
the city of Moscow of massive hypocracy in watering parkland, perhaps you
should discuss this issue with the parks department
people.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
did.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Their reason
for watering the grass is safety and liability. Dry playfields
are less "bouncy" than green lawns. Kids get hurt more playing on
dry grass than on green grass.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">So, the parks
department opts for safety.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">BL</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">-----
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=jeanlivingston@turbonet.com
href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">Bruce and Jean Livingston</A>
; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=msolomon@moscow.com href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com">Mark
Solomon</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Thursday,
October 18, 2007 7:36 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[Vision2020] Water Concern?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Interesting.
If the incumbent candidates you favor are so concerned (and
"responsible") with water usage in Moscow, unlike their challengers, why
did the city of Moscow not follow its own regulations for lawn watering?
The grass (and sidewalks) around city hall sure received more than its
fair share of water as did gormley mtn. view and east city park.
Why do they continually favor the dedication of additional park land?
Land which, like the golf course in Pullman, will require huge amounts
of water to maintain. I have not heard the candidates your organization
endorses make any resolutions to address the water issues in Moscow
other than in the form of anti-growth anti-business rhetoric. If it's
outrageous to want to have a green lawn and an aesthetically pleasant
and restful cemetery why not apply the same standard to city property?
(300 sq. ft. of xeriscape at the 1912 bldg. excepted, of course.) I
believe that as far as the MCA candidates are concerned the water issue
is a tool first and a genuine concern a distant
second.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">g</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=jeanlivingston@turbonet.com
href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">Bruce and Jean
Livingston</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=msolomon@moscow.com href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com">Mark
Solomon</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Thursday,
October 18, 2007 5:20 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[Vision2020] Water Concern?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Gary says, while discussing
Mark's suggestion that the Wanapum aquifer likely will be in crisis
mode in 15-20 years:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>"Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120 years?
Could be we really don't know <BR>for sure? Could be that Krauss,
Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a handle <BR>on the water
situation as any of the MCA candidates
do."<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Not
so, Gary. The GMA candidates are "ostriches" with their
collective heads in the sand. And they are very poor stewards of
the environment. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
think if you follow the usage curves for when the Wanapum got depleted
once before, our current usage curves and increase in number
of wells going dry shows that we are going down the same path and
very likely going to be facing the "crisis" referenced by Mark in
about 15-20 years (not the century or more that you
speculate) -- unless we do something to curb usage of the
Wanapum. We had to do this once before, more than 40 years
ago, when we essentially stopped pumping the Wanapum in the City of
Moscow because the Wanapum was going dry. We (City of
Moscow) punched a well into the Grand Ronde aquifer and started
pumping it, instead, which allowed the Wanapum to
re-charge. We started drawing on the
Wanapum again, more recently (80s?), and the usage is tracking
what went on in the first half to mid-20th
century.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
have several nearby friends within a mile of Moscow whose wells have
gone dry this year. It is fact, not a mirage or doomsaying, and
the failure of the GMA candidates to learn from history while they
watch it repeat itself is quite remarkable. I would suggest that
it shows just how foolhardy they are, and I really get a kick out of
those GMA PAC ads showing swimmers splashing around in lots of
water, while their candidates essentially say "use more and grow green
lawns," and "don't worry about frittering it away; since Pullman
is, we should too."</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">That race to consume, just
like WSU's decision to throw 50 million gallons on a golf course, is
environmentally irresponsible conduct of a very high order. GMA
candidates don't chastise Pullman for that; they instead assert that
we shouldn't bother to conserve and not have green lawns, since
they're not conserving across the border in Pullman and at
WSU. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I'll take the more
responsible attitude of the MCA candidates. No surprise there,
of course. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">We'll watch out for
our water. We'll protect property rights and value in doing so,
while protecting neighborhoods and encouraging development that
creates real jobs that drive an economy, not just retail and
housing. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.moscowcivic.org/">http://www.moscowcivic.org/</A></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">And
we will continue to do responsible things that are good for the City
of Moscow, like opposing the Naylor Farms strip mining project,
unlike the GMA. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Bruce</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">----- Original Message -----
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From: "g. crabtree"
<</SPAN><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">jampot@roadrunner.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:
"Joe Campbell" <</SPAN><A href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">joekc@adelphia.net</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">>; <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">vision2020@moscow.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">>; "Mark Solomon"
<</SPAN><A href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">msolomon@moscow.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent: Thursday, October 18,
2007 3:33 PM</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Water Concern?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">>I assume the statement
that includes "...regarding<BR>> the upper aquifer which if
continued to be pumped at current levels could be <BR>> in crisis
as soon as 15-20 years from now." is couched that way to leave
<BR>> room for the obvious corollary?<BR>> <BR>> Could be
50-75 years, could be 115-120 years? Could be we really don't know
<BR>> for sure? Could be that Krauss, Carscallen, and Steed have as
firm a handle <BR>> on the water situation as any of the MCA
candidates do.<BR>> <BR>> g<BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: "Mark Solomon" <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">msolomon@moscow.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">><BR>> To: "Joe
Campbell" <</SPAN><A href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">joekc@adelphia.net</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">>; <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">vision2020@moscow.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">><BR>> Sent: Thursday,
October 18, 2007 2:34 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water
Concern?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> I'd suggest the GMA candidates
do some homework and actually read<BR>>> some of the
studies/reports on our aquifer, particularly regarding<BR>>> the
upper aquifer which if continued to be pumped at current
levels<BR>>> could be in crisis as soon as 15-20 years from now.
That aquifer<BR>>> currently supplies 30% of Moscow's
water.<BR>>><BR>>> m.<BR>>><BR>>> At 11:51 AM
-0700 10/18/07, Joe Campbell wrote:<BR>>>> >From the
Johnson article noted above:<BR>>>><BR>>>>"I think
it's been used as a way to stop growth in our town and
I<BR>>>>don't think that's a great idea," Carscallen said of
the water issue.<BR>>>><BR>>>>"We don't have a water
emergency. I think most of us can agree to<BR>>>>that," said
Krauss. "We could have, at the least, 200 years of
water<BR>>>>left. ... But right now, folks, I'm just really
tired of seeing all<BR>>>>our yards just burned up, including
the cemetery."<BR>>>><BR>>>>"I know that there are
people who believe that we should be<BR>>>>showering with
5-gallon buckets, to flush our toilets with when we<BR>>>>get
through," said Steed. "And I really don't want to live that
way."<BR>>>><BR>>>>Carscallen, Krauss and Ste! ed
are all endorsed by the
GMA.<BR>>>><BR>>>>--<BR>>>>Joe
Campbell<BR>>><BR>>>
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