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Bruce,<br><br>I stand corrected on the MCA backing of a resevoir. I am glad to here it. Let me ask you this though. Why has your MCA backed mayor along with Stout, done nothing about it, other than the never ending studies? Why if the MCA likes Holmes, did you not endorse him. Why do members of the MCA talk a big game about water conservation, but yet we have numerous parks in town being watered by hose. Why don't I see more MCA members practicing xeriscape?<br><br>Bruce I try to live my life in the middle. To listed to both sides. What I am seeing in Moscow is a bunch of name calling, but all I see is hypocrisy.<br><br>Matt<br><br><blockquote><hr>Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:01:33 -0700<br>From: jeanlivingston@turbonet.com<br>To: mattd2107@hotmail.com; privatejf32@hotmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<br><br>Matt, I'm surprised to hear you repeating falsehoods; usually you have been fair about things and not so blind politically as to make such obviously false and uninformed comments. Allow me to correct your erroneous statement that "MCA conservationists [yes, you are correct in calling us "conservationists"] don't like it [a proposal to build a reservoir]."<BR><BR>Here is what the MCA web site, <a href="http://www.moscowcivic.org/" target="_blank">http://www.moscowcivic.org/</a> , says about our position on water: we support a reservoir, fifth paragraph of text under "What the MCA Stands For."<BR><blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px;"><font size="2">"Supporting water conservation measures and the development of a city reservoir, while opposing injection of our aquifers, thereby protecting our diminishing aquifers while providing renewable water resources to support growth in Moscow."</font><BR></blockquote><p dir="ltr">Further, !
<a href="http://www.moscowcivic.org/communityissues/watersolutions.html" target="_blank">http://www.moscowcivic.org/communityissues/watersolutions.html</a> , our Water Solutions page says this:</p><blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px;"><p dir="ltr">"Water issues are critical ones for the future of our community in both Moscow and the entire Palouse region. The Moscow Civic Association is seeking to be a leader in trying to identify potential solutions to our complex water problem by hosting public forums on the topic and continuing to serve as a facilitator to maintain public awareness and pressure on public officials to meaningfully address this problem. Conservation of our limited water supplies, and perhaps even bolder initiatives (such as potentially building a reservoir) are all things we must consider if we are to preserve the water we need for public and business use in our community." </p></blockquote><p dir="ltr">Moreover, our "Water Solutions" page inclu!
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variety of documents that tracks our efforts in this important area, and you will see that we, not the GMA, are the ones who have done something positive on this issue, including hosting a forum on whether and how to build a reservoir. The Daily News followed our lead and called for a reservoir feasibility study by the City in a link that is also on our "water solutions" page. The Council has since budgeted for and is working on a reservoir feasibility study. You can thank the MCA and our positive efforts on this for that development. </p><p dir="ltr"></p><p dir="ltr">You are therefore also wrong regarding the incumbent candidates, who have supported and funded a feasibility study for a reservoir. They are working for it, too. Challenger Evan Holmes has expressly stated that the time for study is past, because no matter what, we know we have enough water "issues" to know that we need to pro-actively work toward a solution, and we ought to sta!
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socking money away in a capital account for use on whatever solution we ultimately decide to pursue, because it will be expensive. </p><p dir="ltr"></p><p dir="ltr">At the AARP forum on Friday, Walter Steed reacted to the brouhaha over the GMA candidates' reported differences on water that were expressed at Wednesday's Chamber of Commerce forum. I think one of Walter's suggested possible "fixes" for our water problem -- pumping water from the Snake River -- is laughable in terms of feasibility and expense, but even if that's the direction that we choose to go, it is obviously expensive and we ought to be funding these water solutions now and not just "studying" further. Significantly, Walter did not express support for funding efforts to build a reservoir or pump water from the Snake; he proposed to study the aquifers more, before undertaking more serious efforts to fix the problem. </p><p dir="ltr"></p><p dir="ltr">The MCA has been the leader o!
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and the GMA, perhaps begrudgingly, is slowly following. </p><p dir="ltr"></p><p dir="ltr">Bruce Livingston</p><p dir="ltr"></p><p dir="ltr">P.S. Bill Lambert is a good man, too, and I am glad that he also supports the reservoir feasibility study. I also commend Paul Kimmell and Jon Kimberling for their "Water Summit" efforts, as that valuable forum has been very helpful in educating the entire community, including the GMA and their candidates, and of course, the MCA's as well.</p><BR><BR><BR><BR><br>-----Original message-----<br>From: Matt Decker mattd2107@hotmail.com<br>Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 08:34:32 -0700<br>To: J Ford privatejf32@hotmail.com, vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<br><br>> <br>> J,<br>> <br>> Its purified but not to the extent of potable. Then you must run a separate line to wherever you need it. <br>> <br>> I have brought up this idea but doing it from a resevoir. No!
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cleaning of the water, just filtration. Some how our MCA water conservationists don't like it. But people like Lambert and the GMA DO.<br>> <br>> From: privatejf32@hotmail.com<br>> To: mattd2107@hotmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:53:40 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> But would/is it worth the intial cost(s)? The one community in Washington that I heard about seems to feel it is....anyone know for sure how this is even done and what the water quality is like? I mean, ew! it sounds unhealthy. Obviously, it must be tested and seen to be ok, but - I donna know........ <br>> <br>> J :]<br>> <br>> <br>> From: mattd2107@hotmail.com<br>> To: privatejf32@hotmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:32:13 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concer!
n?<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> J,<br>> <br>> Great idea but a lot of money.<br>> <br>> matt<br>> <br>> From: privatejf32@hotmail.com<br>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:50:11 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> There are communities that are "re-using" waste waters for things like watering of lawns and in one community I know of, to recycle for drinking water. Not so sure about that one, but at least there are systems out there that attempt to do something besides just letting the water flow on by and out.<br>> <br>> Thoughts?<br>> <br>> J :]<br>> <br>> <br>> > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:59:12 -0700<br>> > From: lfalen@turbonet.com<br>> > To: jeffh@moscow.com;
jampot@roadrunner.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<br>> > <br>> > Thanks Jeff for your excellent post. Like you said all of the candidates are good civic minded people. Lets debate the issues not personalities. Water conservation is a good policy- water on odd,even days, in the evening, take shorter showers and many other water saving practices should be used. With good conservation practices moscow should be able to support economic development not just housing and retail. Ways to capture run off should be explored.<br>> > Roger<br>> > -----Original message-----<br>> > From: Jeff Harkins jeffh@moscow.com<br>> > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:14:23 -0700<br>> > To: "g. crabtree" jampot@roadrunner.com<br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<br>> > <br>> > > Gary, good to see your clear and concise comments making a <br>> > &!
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difference. Here are some of my observations.<br>> > > <br>> > > Ideologues are all around us in this region. They have no solution <br>> > > to resolve the water issue (or much of any other issue) but they <br>> > > follow the same tactic used since the creation of the MCA; fear, <br>> > > intimidation, heckling and smearing are their tools. If you support <br>> > > an organization like GMA, you are publicly chided for supporting <br>> > > candidates endorsed by them. In other words, you don't know as much <br>> > > as the MCA people and therefore your voices and your opinions don't matter.<br>> > > <br>> > > Frankly, all the candidates for city council seem to be honest, <br>> > > sincere and interested in doing what they perceive to be the best <br>> > > things for the community. But when the actions of supporters and/or <br>> > >
candidates sense a challenge to their "vision for Moscow", rather <br>> > > than debate the issue, they turn on the candidate and chide them for <br>> > > their opinions. Wayne Krauss, Walter Steed and Dan Carscallen are <br>> > > all honorable men. They have spent most of their adult lives in this <br>> > > community. They have a right to be respected - for their views, for <br>> > > their willingness to step up to the challenge of city council and for <br>> > > their willingness to engage in honorable debate with candidates that <br>> > > they don't agree with.<br>> > > <br>> > > In a similar vein, Linda Pall, Aaron Ament, Tom Lamar and Evin Holmes <br>> > > are honorable folks. Most have spent a good portion of their adult <br>> > > lives in Moscow and they should be respected for their willingness to <br>> > > serve our community.>
> > <br>> > > To indict any of them for their opinions and views on a topic simply <br>> > > validates that our citizens should not vote for the candidate the <br>> > > indictors are supporting but should vote for the candidate being <br>> > > scalloped. Issues and answers and policies such as the water <br>> > > question are founded first in science. Let the science do the <br>> > > talking - report studies, provide links to the scientific evidence, <br>> > > establish the proposition of your hypothesis and then talk about <br>> > > strategies for solutions. It is "very difficult" to resolve a <br>> > > problem with rhetoric and finger pointing (Joe and Bruce, you are <br>> > > encouraged to think about this very carefully).<br>> > > <br>> > > This coming election will say a lot about our community and about the <br>> > !
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future we chart for ourselves. It is time for the hand-wringers to <br>> > > move to the sidelines. We need decisive, thoughtful and forthright <br>> > > leadership to guide us through the challenges that lay ahead. Will <br>> > > we have a community that can support our children and the children of <br>> > > our children? Will we be able to welcome new residents with a bundle <br>> > > of opportunities that entices them to stay or will we winnow them out <br>> > > - because they don't fit into our lifestyle? Will we have the type <br>> > > of community that encourages entrepreneurs to come here and risk <br>> > > their investment capital here or will we worry ourselves to death <br>> > > over whether or not this business or that business is <br>> > > "acceptable"? What I have learned from listening to the forums this <br>> > > past couple of yea!
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that even if Santa Claus wanted to move his <br>> > > operation here, there would be at least a handful of people who would <br>> > > object to that move.<br>> > > <br>> > > For my taste, it is time for a change in Moscow.<br>> > > <br>> > > At 07:02 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:<br>> > > >Conservation can never be a bad idea but using the water issue as a <br>> > > >club to force other ideological visions on the community where they <br>> > > >don't apply (big box ordinances for one example) is disingenuous. I <br>> > > >don't believe that the GMA endorsed candidates are suggesting that <br>> > > >we make a desperate attempt to suck the aquifer dry before their <br>> > > >terms expire. To suggest otherwise is simply partisan politics at its worst.<br>> > > ><br>> > > >g<br>> > > >----- Ori!
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Message -----<br>> > > >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com><br>> > > >To: "'g. crabtree'" <br>> > > ><jampot@roadrunner.com>; "'Joe <br>> > > >Campbell'" <joekc@adelphia.net>; <br>> > > ><vision2020@moscow.com>; "'Mark <br>> > > >Solomon'" <msolomon@moscow.com><br>> > > >Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:29 PM<br>> > > >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<br>> > > ><br>> > > > >g -<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > You suggested that perhaps none of the city council candidates have a firm<br>> > > > > handle on the water situation.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > If this is true, w!
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it be better advised to err on the side of<br>> > > > > caution?<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Both Lamar and Ament cited PBAC as authorities on the figures <br>> > > > they presented<br>> > > > > yesterday at the CofC Forum. Krauss cited "something [he] read somewhere"<br>> > > > > and Steed simply wants to remove limitations and controls.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Your thoughts?<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Tom Hansen<br>> > > > > Moscow, Idaho<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college<br>> > > > > students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."<br>> > > > !
><br>> > > > > - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > -----Original Message-----<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > From: <br>> > > > vision2020-bounces@moscow.com <br>> > > > [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br>> > > > > On Behalf Of g. crabtree<br>> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33 PM<br>> > > > > To: Joe Campbell; <br>> > > > vision2020@moscow.com; Mark Solomon<br>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > I assume the statement that includes "...regarding<br>> > > > > the upper aquifer which if continued to be pumped at current <br>> > > > levels could be<br>> > > > ><br>> > !
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