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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It would be much easier to swallow some
of the Gospel According To Moffett with regard to global warming were it not
for a few minor points.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A. Scientists are people who have been wrong about
things like this in the past. I won't bore you with the global cooling story or
the rubric of accepting predictions 50 years out when the weather cant be
accurately predicted for next week. Suffice it to say many past predictions for
global catastrophe have not come to pass.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>B. Scientists are people who by their very nature
are among the worst of the herd type animals. They go to the same schools, learn
the same concepts from the same instructors. They want to be respected by their
peers and their mentors and you don't achieve this by going against the accepted
consensus of the day. Look where the Nobel prize went this year for goodness
sake.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>C. Scientists are people and people lie. Mr.
Schwallers post provided fine examples of this phenomena. Another fine example
would be a certain Nobel prize winning movie.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>D. Scientists are people and people like to be in
the spotlight. The spotlight shines brightest on those who proclaim gloom and
doom. There isn't much attention for those who express the notion that things
will most likely sort themselves out. Anyone from the "it'll be OK" crowd get a
letter from Oslo?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>E. Scientists are people who want to be taken
seriously. One of the easiest ways to achieve this is to make serious
predictions. I predict that the sea will rise up so high that dead polar bears
will be washing up in Washtucna. Where's my check for $1.8 mil?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't know if human induced global warming is a
reality or not. I do know that accepting every word that falls from the mouth of
a scientist as a divine message from on high is probably not a great idea. I
mean really, I'm guessing that most of the folks on this list know a scientist
or two. I'm related to a few. I wouldn't modify my day based on their
predictions. Why would I drastically alter my life based on their
prognostication skills?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know this comes across as being all medieval and
anti-science and all but, enough with the endless doomsday carping that we
have been subjected to for the past few years. We have heard you. Endless
repetition is not a solution. How about if the eggheads get together with
the real heroes of the information age, the engineers and come up with something
that more closely resembles a solution. (I mean a real solution. Not the walk,
ride a bike, and car pool eye wash) I'd rather listen to a few years of here's
the plan, guys, then anymore repetitions of here's the problem.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=starbliss@gmail.com href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">Ted Moffett</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lfalen@turbonet.com
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen</A> ; <A
title=privatejf32@hotmail.com href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">J Ford</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:07
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Scientific
Consensus: Global Warming: Skepticism &Replicatability</DIV>
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<DIV>All-</DIV>
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<DIV>One of the main road blocks that must be addressed to solve the global
warming crisis, is the large number of people who, for one reason or another,
do not accept that there is an overwhelming scientific consensus that
significant action is necessary to prevent substantive
negative impacts. The choices these people make as consumers, in
lifestyle, and as voters, are hampering efforts to mitigate this
crisis. They would rather not bother to study the science, or only
choose to believe the small minority of scientists who insist the consensus is
in error. Or maybe they don't believe the scientific community or the
scientific method is to be trusted, or is reliable. Or for many, even if
they fully acknowledge the problem, they are too dependent on their current
lifestyle to make the changes required to transition away from a fossil
fuel/energy dependent way of living. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>For those who insist they do not believe the scientific consensus,
the hundreds of scientists who have spent years of their life studying this
issue, and have emphatically concluded that human emissions are dangerously
warming the planet, it appears that reasoning with a brick wall might be more
rewarding... At least the bricks will not respond in a manner that
insults a person's intelligence. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Studying the minority views of the scientists who reject the scientific
consensus that human emissions are dangerously warming the planet is necessary
to continue to test the veracity of the consensus. Indeed, as this
process of skepticism on this issue continues, the self corrective
mechanism of replicatability of findings by other scientists, perhaps the most
fundamental principle of the scientific method, to insure that the science on
this issue is not corrupt, fabricated, politically biased, etc., the
consensus that human emissions are dangerously warming the planet has
only increased. And the claim that human induced global warming will not
have drastic consequences is more and more an incredible position. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>At the bottom of the PDF document at the first link below are
approximately 70 published papers on climate science that support the
conclusions on the science of climate change in the Stern Report. No
doubt Al Gore and other environmental loonies have conspired with these
scientists in political subversion to spread socialism and other
dastardly nefarious plots, in a vast global cabal to undermine the free
market system, using global warming as a boogeyman to scare the bejezzus out
of the naive gullible hoi polloi. <BR> </DIV>
<DIV>And I've fallen for it!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/media/3/6/Chapter_1_The_Science_of_Climate_Change.pdf"
target=_blank><STRONG>Chapter 1: The science of climate
change</STRONG></A>:</DIV>
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<DIV><A
href="http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/media/3/6/Chapter_1_The_Science_of_Climate_Change.pdf">http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/media/3/6/Chapter_1_The_Science_of_Climate_Change.pdf</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Stern Review on the economics of climate change:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/independent_reviews/stern_review_economics_climate_change/stern_review_report.cfm">http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/independent_reviews/stern_review_economics_climate_change/stern_review_report.cfm
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<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 10/19/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>lfalen</B>
<<A href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN></DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Ted<BR>I
don't think that you should so easily dismiss George Willl's
comments. He is just a journalist and a lay person on global
waming but Lomberg whow he sites is a scientist and his
statements should be taken seriously. Global warming has plusses an minuses
as Will pointed out. Not everything is negative. Glogal warming by itself
may be a benefit overall. What problems there are are better solved by the
free market system(with some government guide lines) not draconian
government regulation which would stifle the economy. This is not to say we
should not be concerned about air pollution. It is a problem and measures
should be taken to curtail it. There has already been some improvement in
this area. As an example, in the 1960"s you could smell PFI in
Moscow. Now you can hardly ever smell it from just acrose the
river. Efforts to find cleaner fuel should be continued.
<BR>Roger</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>Ok, I'm going to bite on this one.<BR><BR>As much as I really hate the
nay-sayers regarding the "global warming" -so-called-issue, I'd like to ask
this:<BR><BR>IF the ice caps are melting as quickly as is being stated, (a)
doesn't this put more water into the atmospher, i.e., through evaporation; (b)
doesn't this mean there will be more water to fall as rain; (c) the areas that
are experiencing drought right now - won't they in fact see an increase in
water through rain and/or the swelling of rivers, creeks, water-ways; (d) what
are the pro/cons of using ocean water, processing it and putting it into pipes
as un-salted water for communities in need? I see adds where a company
is saying they "capture" billions of gallons of water a year for use - in what
way? <BR><BR>And no, I really don't care to get into it about the "global
warming" alarmists. I'm just asking the above questions.<BR><BR>Thank
you.<BR><BR>J :]<BR> </DIV><BR>
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