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G,<br><br>Furthermore, why are there parks in the cow that Moscow doesn't have automatic sprinklers installed. Or why does our mayor have a bigger lawn area than Lmabert and Krauss. Or why do I have costumers in the Mca who have 10,000+ sq ft lawns, all of which I had tried to talk into xeriscaping most of it but refused. Or why don't they put their money where there mouth is. Why, because Moscow is full of hypocrites. Hypocrites who would love to have their agenda filled but give two shits about blue collared folks like you and I. <br><br>Sure they say they want smart growth. Growth like a Schwietzer. One that will bring more "smart" people. So Heres my question to MCA and like. Where will these people live? Oh yeah new houses. Houses that of course will use more water. We can be as conservative as we want with water, but more people=more water usage.<br><br>Idaho is one of the three fastest growing states. If Moscow is going to grow at all, we need to learn how we can ALL benefit from each other. MCA and GMA both have good ideas. Conserving water while growing. How? A resevoir. Helped paid for by grants, taxes and developers.<br><br>In the mean time people need to quit with the name calling and the hypocrisy. Put your money where your mouth is and start conserving like GMA members are. <br><br>Matt<br><br><blockquote><hr>From: jampot@roadrunner.com<br>To: jeanlivingston@turbonet.com; vision2020@moscow.com; msolomon@moscow.com<br>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:36:42 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<br><br>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Interesting. If the incumbent candidates you favor
are so concerned (and "responsible") with water usage in Moscow, unlike their
challengers, why did the city of Moscow not follow its own regulations for lawn
watering? The grass (and sidewalks) around city hall sure received more than its
fair share of water as did gormley mtn. view and east city park. Why do
they continually favor the dedication of additional park land? Land which, like
the golf course in Pullman, will require huge amounts of water to maintain. I
have not heard the candidates your organization endorses make any resolutions to
address the water issues in Moscow other than in the form of anti-growth
anti-business rhetoric. If it's outrageous to want to have a green lawn and an
aesthetically pleasant and restful cemetery why not apply the same standard to
city property? (300 sq. ft. of xeriscape at the 1912 bldg. excepted, of course.)
I believe that as far as the MCA candidates are concerned the water issue is a
tool first and a genuine concern a distant second.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
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<a title="jeanlivingston@turbonet.com" href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">Bruce and Jean Livingston</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> ; <a title="msolomon@moscow.com" href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com">Mark Solomon</a>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:20
PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Water
Concern?</div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Gary says, while discussing Mark's suggestion that the
Wanapum aquifer likely will be in crisis mode in 15-20 years:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"></font>"Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120 years?
Could be we really don't know <br>for sure? Could be that Krauss,
Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a handle <br>on the water situation as
any of the MCA candidates do."</div></blockquote>
<div><font face="Arial">Not so, Gary. The GMA candidates are "ostriches"
with their collective heads in the sand. And they are very poor stewards
of the environment. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">I think if you follow the usage curves for when the
Wanapum got depleted once before, our current usage curves and increase
in number of wells going dry shows that we are going down the same path
and very likely going to be facing the "crisis" referenced by Mark in about
15-20 years (not the century or more that you speculate) -- unless
we do something to curb usage of the Wanapum. We had to do this once
before, more than 40 years ago, when we essentially stopped pumping the
Wanapum in the City of Moscow because the Wanapum was going dry.
We (City of Moscow) punched a well into the Grand Ronde aquifer and started
pumping it, instead, which allowed the Wanapum to re-charge. We
started drawing on the Wanapum again, more recently (80s?), and the
usage is tracking what went on in the first half to mid-20th
century.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">I have several nearby friends within a mile of Moscow
whose wells have gone dry this year. It is fact, not a mirage or
doomsaying, and the failure of the GMA candidates to learn from history while
they watch it repeat itself is quite remarkable. I would suggest that it
shows just how foolhardy they are, and I really get a kick out of those GMA
PAC ads showing swimmers splashing around in lots of water, while their
candidates essentially say "use more and grow green lawns," and "don't
worry about frittering it away; since Pullman is, we should too."</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">That race to consume, just like WSU's decision to throw
50 million gallons on a golf course, is environmentally irresponsible conduct
of a very high order. GMA candidates don't chastise Pullman for that;
they instead assert that we shouldn't bother to conserve and not have green
lawns, since they're not conserving across the border in Pullman and at
WSU. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">I'll take the more responsible attitude of the MCA
candidates. No surprise there, of course. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">We'll watch out for our water. We'll protect
property rights and value in doing so, while protecting neighborhoods and
encouraging development that creates real jobs that drive an economy, not just
retail and housing. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><a href="http://www.moscowcivic.org/" target="_blank">http://www.moscowcivic.org/</a></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">And we will continue to do responsible things that are
good for the City of Moscow, like opposing the Naylor Farms strip mining
project, unlike the GMA. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Bruce</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">From: "g. crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font face="Arial">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font face="Arial">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">To: "Joe Campbell" <</font><a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><font face="Arial">joekc@adelphia.net</font></a><font face="Arial">>; <</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial">>; "Mark
Solomon" <</font><a href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com"><font face="Arial">msolomon@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33 PM</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water
Concern?</font></div></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br></font></div><font face="Arial">>I assume the
statement that includes "...regarding<br>> the upper aquifer which if
continued to be pumped at current levels could be <br>> in crisis as soon
as 15-20 years from now." is couched that way to leave <br>> room for the
obvious corollary?<br>> <br>> Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120
years? Could be we really don't know <br>> for sure? Could be that Krauss,
Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a handle <br>> on the water situation as
any of the MCA candidates do.<br>> <br>> g<br>> ----- Original
Message ----- <br>> From: "Mark Solomon" <</font><a href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com"><font face="Arial">msolomon@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial">><br>> To:
"Joe Campbell" <</font><a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><font face="Arial">joekc@adelphia.net</font></a><font face="Arial">>; <</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial">><br>> Sent:
Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:34 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water
Concern?<br>> <br>> <br>>> I'd suggest the GMA candidates do some
homework and actually read<br>>> some of the studies/reports on our
aquifer, particularly regarding<br>>> the upper aquifer which if
continued to be pumped at current levels<br>>> could be in crisis as
soon as 15-20 years from now. That aquifer<br>>> currently supplies 30%
of Moscow's water.<br>>><br>>> m.<br>>><br>>> At 11:51
AM -0700 10/18/07, Joe Campbell wrote:<br>>>> >From the
Johnson article noted above:<br>>>><br>>>>"I think it's been
used as a way to stop growth in our town and I<br>>>>don't think
that's a great idea," Carscallen said of the water
issue.<br>>>><br>>>>"We don't have a water emergency. I
think most of us can agree to<br>>>>that," said Krauss. "We could
have, at the least, 200 years of water<br>>>>left. ... But right now,
folks, I'm just really tired of seeing all<br>>>>our yards just
burned up, including the cemetery."<br>>>><br>>>>"I know
that there are people who believe that we should be<br>>>>showering
with 5-gallon buckets, to flush our toilets with when we<br>>>>get
through," said Steed. "And I really don't want to live that
way."<br>>>><br>>>>Carscallen, Krauss and Ste! ed are all
endorsed by the GMA.<br>>>><br>>>>--<br>>>>Joe
Campbell<br>>><br>>>
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