<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/20/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">g. crabtree</b> <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:</span></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2"> </font><font face="Arial" size="2">I know this comes across as being all medieval and anti-science and all but, enough with the endless doomsday carping that we have been subjected to for the past few years. We have heard you.
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<div>It is apparent from your reply that you, and many others, do not respect the scientific consensus, among climate scientists, on human induced global warming. Given this rejection of fact and reason on this issue, which is disturbingly widespread, an even more aggressive education effort regarding the need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is indicated. Thank you for your outspoken rejection of the integrity of the scientific community, given how many with your point of view keep quiet. You are an inspiration to continue the effort to champion science and reason!
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<div>And what if the scientific consensus regarding the dangers of human induced global warming are wrong, and we reduce greenhouse gas emissions significantly? What great harm will result? We will be well on our way to the non-fossil fueled future, which we should be preparing for anyway! T. Boone Pickens, oil industry expert extraordinaire, just declared peak oil has occurred. And oil just passed a new record $90 a barrel, though this is in part due to the devalued dollar. But even if global warming is a hoax, the transition to significantly increased energy conservation and alternative energy sources, is urgent nonetheless. This urgency can be addressed at all levels, from city to county to state to national and international policy and planning. The connection to local decision making is obvious... As is which candidates in the next Moscow City Council election are likely to address these issues substantively:
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<div><a href="http://www.time.net.my/channel/news/article.cfm?Types=International&Related=Business&ID=208536">http://www.time.net.my/channel/news/article.cfm?Types=International&Related=Business&ID=208536
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<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><b>From:</b> <a title="starbliss@gmail.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank">Ted Moffett</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="lfalen@turbonet.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" target="_blank">lfalen</a> ; <a title="privatejf32@hotmail.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com" target="_blank">
J Ford</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:07 AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Scientific Consensus: Global Warming: Skepticism &Replicatability</div>
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<div>One of the main road blocks that must be addressed to solve the global warming crisis, is the large number of people who, for one reason or another, do not accept that there is an overwhelming scientific consensus that significant action is necessary to prevent substantive negative impacts. The choices these people make as consumers, in lifestyle, and as voters, are hampering efforts to mitigate this crisis. They would rather not bother to study the science, or only choose to believe the small minority of scientists who insist the consensus is in error. Or maybe they don't believe the scientific community or the scientific method is to be trusted, or is reliable. Or for many, even if they fully acknowledge the problem, they are too dependent on their current lifestyle to make the changes required to transition away from a fossil fuel/energy dependent way of living.
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<div>For those who insist they do not believe the scientific consensus, the hundreds of scientists who have spent years of their life studying this issue, and have emphatically concluded that human emissions are dangerously warming the planet, it appears that reasoning with a brick wall might be more rewarding... At least the bricks will not respond in a manner that insults a person's intelligence.
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<div>Studying the minority views of the scientists who reject the scientific consensus that human emissions are dangerously warming the planet is necessary to continue to test the veracity of the consensus. Indeed, as this process of skepticism on this issue continues, the self corrective mechanism of replicatability of findings by other scientists, perhaps the most fundamental principle of the scientific method, to insure that the science on this issue is not corrupt, fabricated, politically biased, etc., the consensus that human emissions are dangerously warming the planet has only increased. And the claim that human induced global warming will not have drastic consequences is more and more an incredible position.
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<div>At the bottom of the PDF document at the first link below are approximately 70 published papers on climate science that support the conclusions on the science of climate change in the Stern Report. No doubt Al Gore and other environmental loonies have conspired with these scientists in political subversion to spread socialism and other dastardly nefarious plots, in a vast global cabal to undermine the free market system, using global warming as a boogeyman to scare the bejezzus out of the naive gullible hoi polloi.
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<div>And I've fallen for it!</div>
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<div><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/media/3/6/Chapter_1_The_Science_of_Climate_Change.pdf" target="_blank"><strong>Chapter 1: The science of climate change</strong>
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<div>Stern Review on the economics of climate change:</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/19/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">lfalen</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" target="_blank">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>> wrote:
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Ted<br>I don't think that you should so easily dismiss George Willl's comments. He is just a journalist and a lay person on global waming but Lomberg whow he sites is a scientist and his statements should be taken seriously. Global warming has plusses an minuses as Will pointed out. Not everything is negative. Glogal warming by itself may be a benefit overall. What problems there are are better solved by the free market system(with some government guide lines) not draconian government regulation which would stifle the economy. This is not to say we should not be concerned about air pollution. It is a problem and measures should be taken to curtail it. There has already been some improvement in this area. As an example, in the 1960"s you could smell PFI in Moscow. Now you can hardly ever smell it from just acrose the river. Efforts to find cleaner fuel should be continued.
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<div>Ok, I'm going to bite on this one.<br><br>As much as I really hate the nay-sayers regarding the "global warming" -so-called-issue, I'd like to ask this:<br><br>IF the ice caps are melting as quickly as is being stated, (a) doesn't this put more water into the atmospher,
i.e., through evaporation; (b) doesn't this mean there will be more water to fall as rain; (c) the areas that are experiencing drought right now - won't they in fact see an increase in water through rain and/or the swelling of rivers, creeks, water-ways; (d) what are the pro/cons of using ocean water, processing it and putting it into pipes as un-salted water for communities in need? I see adds where a company is saying they "capture" billions of gallons of water a year for use - in what way?
<br><br>And no, I really don't care to get into it about the "global warming" alarmists. I'm just asking the above questions.<br><br>Thank you.<br><br>J :]<br> </div><br></div></blockquote></div></div>
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