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<DIV>In part, Jeff says:</DIV>
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<DIV>| And frankly, I have not heard any of the statements you attribute to
<BR>| Wayne Krauss, Walter Steed or Dan Carscallen. And if they did make
<BR>| those remarks, please tell me where and when.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>For statements by your candidates, Jeff, if those statements already
provided for you in this forum by David Johnson of the Lewiston Tribune, or the
KLEW transcript, or the Daily News, all of which have already been provided to
your candidates shame, why don't you look forward to the live recordings of
their answers at the Chamber forum, all of which will soon be available
on-line and on "you tube"? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Since they've been recorded and will be placed on-line, it will be
especially interesting to see how the GMA's water-wasting candidates try to deal
with their insensitive and environmentally unsound theories, knowing that the
flip flop is waiting to be recorded, too.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I agree with you that all candidates, MCA-endorsed, GMA-endorsed, and
Evan Homes (the independent candidate running on his own), believe that
they are "for" the community, and so on and so forth. But the vision of
all is not the same, and the vision of the GMA candidates -- Naylor Farms
mine loving, all retail loving, water wasting candidates -- does not fit with
Moscow. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am convinced that Linda, Aaron, and Tom are the best
candidates. Of course, that is only my opinion. And though I
was waiting to see what was up with Walter and Evan, and we at the MCA have not
endorsed Evan, Evan's astute answers on economic development and water are
convincing me that he is the better choice.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bruce</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>P.S. Since I am not positive that the Daily News article, that
included the candidates' water statements, had been presented on this forum, I
will copy it here.</DIV>
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<H2>Moscow City Council candidates dive into water issues </H2>
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<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 12px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px"><FONT
size=3>Tara Roberts, Daily News staff writer</FONT></P>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; font-color: gray"><FONT size=3>Thursday, October 18,
2007 - Page Updated at 12:00:00 AM</FONT></P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">
<P><FONT size=3>Moscow City Council candidates were divided on issues of water
and economic development at the Moscow Chamber of Commerce forum
Wednesday.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Due to time constraints, the candidates were able to answer just
three questions. Chamber board member Mark Loaiza, who is on the Palouse Basin
Aquifer Committee citizens advisory board, asked the candidates to explain their
views on water regulation in Moscow and what the city should do to sustain water
resources.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>All the candidates voiced support for PBAC, but disagreed about
whether Moscow is facing a declining water source.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Four-year candidate Dan Carscallen said he does not believe
there is a water supply problem, but the city should explore other water sources
for when there is a problem.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>"We can't just be one-note on the water situation," Carscallen
said. "I think it's been used as a way to stop growth in our city."</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Two-year candidate Walter Steed and four-year candidate Wayne
Krauss agreed with Carscallen that there is no immediate emergency.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Steed said he's seen conflicting statistics about the Grande
Ronde aquifer, which serves as Moscow's primary water source. He believes
engineers can find empirical evidence to show if there truly is a
problem.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Steed said he felt somewhat like he was talking "out of both
sides of (his) mouth" by questioning Moscow's rising water rates. In his job as
a consultant, he's encouraged other communities to raise their water rates.
Still, he is concerned that people in Moscow cannot afford to water their
lawns.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Krauss also lamented the loss of green lawns in
Moscow.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>"Folks, I'm tired of seeing all our yards just burned up,
including the cemetery," he said.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Krauss said there could be 200 years worth of water left in the
aquifer, but the city should consider how it's "going to stabilize our
situation." He questioned whether it is worth it to conserve water in Moscow
when more water is being used in Pullman.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Two-year candidate Evan Holmes said Moscow needs to protect its
quality drinking water, calling it an essential part of the city's
wealth.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Holmes said he's not sure if more study into the aquifer
situation is needed.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>"More conservation and more study doesn't necessarily yield more
water," he said.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Holmes said the city should have a plan in place for another
water source, such as a reservoir, and begin putting money toward it.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Four-year candidate and current council member Aaron Ament said
the city knows the water level in the Grand Ronde is dropping, which should be
"a signal to conserve what we have."</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Four-year candidate and current council member Tom Lamar, who
also is executive director of the Palouse-Clearwater Environmental Institute,
said the city should be a good steward of water resources.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>"I think water conservation is critical," he said.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>The aquifer levels continue to drop even when the city uses less
water, Lamar said. He encourages recovering water in reservoirs or rainwater
catchment systems. People should not forget about surface-water resources such
as Paradise Creek, and be aware of how they are affected by the city's
stormwater and wastewater decisions.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Four-year candidate and current council member Linda Pall agreed
that water conservation is important. She said the city's conservation
mechanisms are working well.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>"My issue with water is we have a limited supply, we don't know
how much we have and our straw is taking out quite a bit from the aquifer right
now," she said.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>She said the city has a budget item for future studies for a
possible reservoir.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT size=3>Economic development</FONT></STRONG></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Chamber of Commerce board member Gary Hagen asked the candidates
what role the city should play in economic development.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Pall reiterated her desire for a city economic development
coordinator, which she tried and failed to have included in the 2008 city
budget. She said it is important to have someone "take care of the
follow-through for the city's economic development priorities."</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Ament said he supports the idea of a city development
coordinator. He also would like to see the chamber reach out to a wider group,
and more downtown businesses to join the chamber.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>"There is work to be done and I encourage the chamber in its
outreach to our area's businesses," Ament said.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>He said economic development includes caring about public
education, water resources and helping the city's existing tax base.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Lamar said growth should focus on expanding the city's existing
businesses. Business owners have told him they stay in Moscow because of the
quality of life.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>He said the city needs a long-term vision for its
economy.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>"I have a belief that a strong economy is dependent on a strong
environment and a strong community," he said.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Holmes emphasized economic stability, a key topic in his
campaign. He said the city should focus on planning for growth in a way that
isn't divisive or "willy-nilly."</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>"Economic development doesn't really happen at the City Council
level or at the voter level," he said. "It really happens when investors are
willing to take risks on your city."</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Holmes said growth should not focus on retail, but retail should
result from other types of economic development.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>On the other hand, Steed said Moscow needs to increase its
shopping opportunities to make it more attractive to people.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Steed said he sees the Latah Economic Development Council and
chamber as marketers for the community. The city's role is to pass zoning laws,
help existing businesses and bring in more businesses. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Carscallen said the city should work in the background of
economic development, applying its codes to businesses that want to locate in
town.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Krauss said the city should work on improving its economic image
and assisting developers with their goals to locate in Moscow. Some people
perceive the community as unwelcoming to businesses.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>"If that's a perception, why do we have it?" Krauss
asked.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3></FONT><STRONG></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Public transportation</FONT></STRONG></P>
<P><FONT size=3>The candidates were more in harmony on issues of public
transportation. Forum moderator Mark Boehne asked what the city can do to
improve public transportation.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Several candidates commended the work of Tom La Pointe, director
of Valley Transit.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>"I think the best thing we can do is whatever Tom La Pointe
tells us to," Carscallen said.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Many candidates said the bus system has grown and will continue
to grow. Ament said the city has increased its funding for Moscow Valley Transit
over the past few years.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>"This is clearly something our community supports," he
said.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Ament and Lamar said they'd like to see funds generated to add a
third route and increase the bus system's hours. Holmes said the city grant
writer should put efforts toward finding funds.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Lamar said it is vital to continue the Wheatland Express bus
service between Moscow and Pullman, and Krauss said the city should consider
utilizing the rail lines between the cities for transportation.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Steed, who was a founding member of the Transportation
Commission with Lamar, said the city should focus on "multimodal" transportation
and connect sidewalks as well as support the bus system.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Krauss also said the city should consider creating a trolley
system, an idea he heard from Pall.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Pall called the trolley idea "light, light rail" and suggested
routes from the University of Idaho Administration Building to Friendship Square
and from Friendship Square around the city to Mountain View Road.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>The trolley idea is a ways in the future, Pall said. If it is
ever a reality, it will need the support of the UI.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>"We absolutely need their help and support to make public
transportation work," Pall said.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3><IMG src="http://www.dnews.com/images/square.gif" border=0>Other
forums will be 11:30 a.m. Friday at the Best Western-University Inn, sponsored
by the AARP, and at 7 p.m. Tuesday in the Moscow High School Auditorium,
sponsored by the League of Women Voters and the Moscow-Pullman Daily News.
</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3><STRONG>Tara Roberts </STRONG>can be reached at (208) 882-5561,
ext. 234, or by e-mail at troberts@dnews.com.</FONT></P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message -----
<DIV>From: "Jeff Harkins" <<A
href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com">jeffh@moscow.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>To: "Andreas Schou" <<A
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">ophite@gmail.com</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:48 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>| If the facts are so readily available, please enlighten us
all.<BR>| <BR>| I've read all the material from the last several water forums,
<BR>| committees and so forth. There is certainly no consensus evident
<BR>| from the materials I read. Do you have a particular source or <BR>|
reference that would validate your statements?<BR>| <BR>| And frankly, I have
not heard any of the statements you attribute to <BR>| Wayne Krauss, Walter
Steed or Dan Carscallen. And if they did make <BR>| those remarks, please
tell me where and when.<BR>| <BR>| You raise an interesting point about
relations with Pullman and <BR>| tangentially with Whitman officials. I
have visited with a couple of <BR>| elected officials from Pullman and from
Whitman. It was made rather <BR>| clear to me that Pullman would have been
delighted to talk with <BR>| Moscow officials about the various water issues and
policies and <BR>| other matters of concern between our two communities.
But, in their <BR>| mind, the contacts from our side have more or less poisoned
that well <BR>| - when you threaten to sue your neighbors, when you interfere in
<BR>| their activities, and attempt to coerce them to agree with you - it <BR>|
does make it difficult to have a dialogue.<BR>| <BR>| Wayne Krauss, Walter Steed
and Dan Carscallen are probably our best <BR>| choices for bringing reason and
rationale to the political quagmire <BR>| we find ourselves in now.<BR>| <BR>|
On the bright side, a change in our management may offer another <BR>| chance to
revisit Pullman officials, to open some doors, to have some <BR>| conversations,
etc. I suspect Pullman would be very willing to work <BR>| with us, but I
am fairly certain they have no interest in working for <BR>| us. They are
charting their own course - as is their right and responsibility.<BR>| <BR>|
Please let me know if you can provide me with citations about the <BR>|
statements you attribute to Walter, Wayne and Dan. Also, any new <BR>|
studies that affirm your claims about the aquifer status and its <BR>| future
would also be helpful.<BR>| <BR>| <BR>| At 10:10 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:<BR>|
>Jeff --<BR>| ><BR>| >You've confused opinions with facts.<BR>|
><BR>| >The GMA candidates have the right to whatever opinions they like.
They<BR>| >can believe that it will be fine if we reach the bottom of
the<BR>| >aquifer. They can believe that we can get water from elsewhere
at<BR>| >reasonable cost. They can believe that we can negotiate with
Pullman<BR>| >to keep them from depleting our shared aquifer at an
unreasonable<BR>| >rate. All of these things are reasonable
opinions.<BR>| ><BR>| >Wrong, but reasonable.<BR>| ><BR>| >The issue
of whether we are depleting our aquifer at a rate greater<BR>| >than the rate
of replenishment isn't a matter of opinion. It is a<BR>| >matter of fact.
Similar, for instance, to the fact that the Earth is<BR>| >getting warmer.
GMA can either provide its own peer-reviewed<BR>| >projections or start
talking about the facts as they exist.<BR>| ><BR>| >Wishful thinking is
not a water policy.<BR>| ><BR>| >-- ACS<BR>| ><BR>| ><BR>| >On
10/18/07, Jeff Harkins <<A
href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com">jeffh@moscow.com</A>> wrote:<BR>| >
><BR>| > > Gary, good to see your clear and concise comments
making a difference.<BR>| > > Here are some of my observations.<BR>| >
><BR>| > > Ideologues are all around us in this region.
They have no solution to<BR>| > > resolve the water issue (or much of any
other issue) but they follow the<BR>| > > same tactic used since the
creation of the MCA; fear, intimidation,<BR>| > > heckling and
smearing are their tools. If you support an organization like<BR>| >
> GMA, you are publicly chided for supporting candidates endorsed <BR>| >
by them. In<BR>| > > other words, you don't know as much as the MCA
people and therefore your<BR>| > > voices and your opinions don't
matter.<BR>| > ><BR>| > > Frankly, all the candidates for city
council seem to be honest, <BR>| > sincere and<BR>| > > interested in
doing what they perceive to be the best things for the<BR>| > >
community. But when the actions of supporters and/or candidates sense
a<BR>| > > challenge to their "vision for Moscow", rather than debate the
issue, they<BR>| > > turn on the candidate and chide them for their
opinions. Wayne Krauss,<BR>| > > Walter Steed and Dan Carscallen are
all honorable men. They have <BR>| > spent most<BR>| > > of their
adult lives in this community. They have a right to be <BR>| >
respected -<BR>| > > for their views, for their willingness to step up to
the challenge of city<BR>| > > council and for their willingness to engage
in honorable debate with<BR>| > > candidates that they don't agree
with.<BR>| > ><BR>| > > In a similar vein, Linda Pall, Aaron
Ament, Tom Lamar and Evin Holmes are<BR>| > > honorable folks. Most have
spent a good portion of their adult lives in<BR>| > > Moscow and they
should be respected for their willingness to serve our<BR>| > >
community.<BR>| > ><BR>| > > To indict any of them for their
opinions and views on a topic simply<BR>| > > validates that our citizens
should not vote for the candidate the indictors<BR>| > > are supporting
but should vote for the candidate being scalloped. Issues<BR>| > >
and answers and policies such as the water question are founded first in<BR>|
> > science. Let the science do the talking - report studies,
provide links to<BR>| > > the scientific evidence, establish the
proposition of your hypothesis and<BR>| > > then talk about strategies for
solutions. It is "very difficult" <BR>| > to resolve<BR>| > > a
problem with rhetoric and finger pointing (Joe and Bruce, you are<BR>| > >
encouraged to think about this very carefully).<BR>| > ><BR>| >
> This coming election will say a lot about our community and about
the<BR>| > > future we chart for ourselves. It is time for the
hand-wringers to move to<BR>| > > the sidelines. We need decisive,
thoughtful and forthright leadership to<BR>| > > guide us through the
challenges that lay ahead. Will we have a community<BR>| > > that
can support our children and the children of our children? Will we be<BR>|
> > able to welcome new residents with a bundle of opportunities that
entices<BR>| > > them to stay or will we winnow them out - because they
don't fit into our<BR>| > > lifestyle? Will we have the type of
community that encourages <BR>| > entrepreneurs<BR>| > > to come here
and risk their investment capital here or will we worry<BR>| > > ourselves
to death over whether or not this business or that business is<BR>| > >
"acceptable"? What I have learned from listening to the forums this
past<BR>| > > couple of years is that even if Santa Claus wanted to move
his operation<BR>| > > here, there would be at least a handful of people
who would object to that<BR>| > > move.<BR>| > ><BR>| >
> For my taste, it is time for a change in Moscow.<BR>| > ><BR>|
> ><BR>| > > At 07:02 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:<BR>| >
><BR>| > > Conservation can never be a bad idea but using the water
issue as a club to<BR>| > > force other ideological visions on the
community where they don't <BR>| > apply (big<BR>| > > box ordinances
for one example) is disingenuous. I don't believe that the<BR>| > > GMA
endorsed candidates are suggesting that we make a desperate attempt to<BR>| >
> suck the aquifer dry before their terms expire. To suggest otherwise
is<BR>| > > simply partisan politics at its worst.<BR>| > ><BR>|
> > g<BR>| > > ----- Original Message -----<BR>| >
> From: "Tom Hansen" <<A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>><BR>| > >
To: "'g. crabtree'" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>>; "'Joe
Campbell'"<BR>| > > <<A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>>; "'Mark
Solomon'"<BR>| > > <<A
href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com">msolomon@moscow.com</A>><BR>| >
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:29 PM<BR>| > >
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<BR>| > ><BR>| > >
>g -<BR>| > > ><BR>| > > > You suggested that
perhaps none of the city council candidates have a<BR>| > > firm<BR>| >
> > handle on the water situation.<BR>| > > ><BR>|
> > > If this is true, wouldn't it be better advised to err on
the side of<BR>| > > > caution?<BR>| > > ><BR>|
> > > Both Lamar and Ament cited PBAC as authorities on the
figures they<BR>| > > presented<BR>| > > > yesterday at the
CofC Forum. Krauss cited "something [he] read<BR>| > >
somewhere"<BR>| > > > and Steed simply wants to remove
limitations and controls.<BR>| > > ><BR>| > > >
Your thoughts?<BR>| > > ><BR>| > > > Seeya round
town, Moscow.<BR>| > > ><BR>| > > > Tom
Hansen<BR>| > > > Moscow, Idaho<BR>| > > ><BR>|
> > > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.
The college<BR>| > > > students are not very active in local
elections (thank goodness!)."<BR>| > > ><BR>| > >
> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)<BR>| > > ><BR>| >
> > -----Original Message-----<BR>| > > ><BR>| >
> > From: <A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>
[<BR>| > > <A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>]<BR>|
> > > On Behalf Of g. crabtree<BR>| > > > Sent:
Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33 PM<BR>| > > > To: Joe Campbell;
<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>; Mark
Solomon<BR>| > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<BR>|
> > ><BR>| > > > I assume the statement that
includes "...regarding<BR>| > > > the upper aquifer which if
continued to be pumped at current <BR>| > levels could<BR>| > > be<BR>|
> > ><BR>| > > > in crisis as soon as 15-20 years
from now." is couched that way to leave<BR>| > > > room for the
obvious corollary?<BR>| > > ><BR>| > > > Could be
50-75 years, could be 115-120 years? Could be we really don't<BR>| > >
know<BR>| > > > for sure? Could be that Krauss, Carscallen, and
Steed have as firm a<BR>| > > handle<BR>| > > > on the
water situation as any of the MCA candidates do.<BR>| > > ><BR>|
> > > g<BR>| > > ><BR>| > > ><BR>|
> > ><BR>| > > ><BR>| > >
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