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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Because someone disagrees with you there must be
something wrong with them? Glad to see that your ego hasn't been damaged by all
the lack of appreciation. It must be a horrible burden for you to be setting the
standard of normalcy for the rest of us, all by your
lonesome.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regarding the resentment you feel over my remark
concerning your ambiguous religious disposition, didn't you once proclaim on
this forum to Chas UK:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><EM>"I lean heavily toward agnosticism, since I question whether or not
anyone<BR>can know that God exists (though I haven't ruled this possibility out
yet)<BR>and I am pretty close to being a full-fledged agnostic about the nature
of<BR>God. I have a variety of beliefs about God's nature but I don't profess
to<BR>have any knowledge about it, and in particular I don't profess to
know<BR>anything about the connection between God and the moral law"</EM></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>10/19/05 @ 5:03 PM</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Seven months later you post:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> "I<EM> don't much care about particular
religious beliefs, in general, and I don't have any firm opinions about what
counts -- or does not count -- as genuine Christianity."</EM> 05/18/06 @ 10:59
AM to Tony Simpson</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Less than two months later in a post to Danial
Foucachon you made mention of the fact that you avoid Dale Courtney's blog in
the effort to "<EM>remain a good Christian</EM>." 07/03/06 @ 8:59
AM</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You have told us that you were raised as a Roman
Catholic and yet you embrace abortion and homosexual marriage as though they
were two of the most sacred of the sacraments.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't recall making any comment as to whether I
believed your assertion of being a Christian or not and I certainly make no
judgment with regard to your level of commitment to whatever it is you do
believe but,It certainly seems to me that reasonable people could come to
the conclusion that you are disposed toward a certain religious
ambiguity.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Joe Campbell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Donovan Arnold" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:30 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from
CNN</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> There are so many errors here, Donovan, it is hard to get started.
This is part of the reason <BR>> it cracks me up when people like Crabtree
make fun of philosophers! That attitude and <BR>> the inability to
distinguish cogent arguments from fallacies go hand and hand. There is <BR>>
lots of work for philosophers to do, it seems to me!<BR>> <BR>> Whether
"Christ is the way to be saved" is essential to Christianity is, as Sue noted,
<BR>> subject to interpretation and debate. But that is really beside the
point. It is one thing to <BR>> have a belief, it is another to think that
your belief is a "perfected" form of someone <BR>> else's. And it is yet a
third thing to go to the trouble of saying that your belief is a <BR>>
perfected form of Judaism to a Jew on national TV. You keep missing these
points.<BR>> <BR>> You can believe whatever you want. My objection is to
Coulter’s dogmatic, arrogant <BR>> attitude about the superiority of her
beliefs over those of others. This is especially <BR>> irritating since her
beliefs are the product of faith, and it is hard to see how faith could <BR>>
ever support arrogant dogmatism. I’m annoyed too because I’m a Christian and
some <BR>> people – Paul for instance – seem to think that idiotic arrogance
typifies Christian belief.<BR>> <BR>> Lastly, I don't appreciate the
suggestion that I'm not a Christian – nor did I appreciate <BR>> Crabtee's
comment about my “ambiguous religious disposition”. Funny that both of you
<BR>> will stand up for a local Pastor’s right to justify slavery and capital
punishment for gays <BR>> yet my own beliefs are not worthy of defense. What
the hell is wrong with you two?<BR>> <BR>> Unlike Ann Coulter, I consider
my beliefs to be a matter between me and God and none <BR>> of your
business. And unlike Ann Coulter, I know that faith is not the product of
<BR>> fallacious reasoning, so I'm not trying to win folks over with hateful
rhetoric.<BR>> <BR>> But don't listen to me! I'm just a philosophy
professor!<BR>> <BR>> All the best, Joe<BR>> <BR>> ---- Donovan
Arnold <</FONT><A href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote: <BR>> <BR>> =============<BR>> Joe,<BR>>
<BR>> She was reiterating the Dogma of Christianity. There is no
salvation without the acceptance of Christ as your savior. If you don't
understand that fundamental fact, or don't believe it, you obviously are not a
Christian. It is core dogma of the religion. <BR>> <BR>>
A mean vindictive person would wish for Jews to die, or parish. She said she
wished the opposite, that they would accept Christ so that they can be saved.
That sounds like more of a loving statement than a hateful one to me.
<BR>> <BR>> She was not singling out Jews, the
commentator was because he was Jewish, she believes that all religions outside
of Christianity are in error, as do all Christians. I think you will also find
that followers of the Jewish and Muslim faiths likewise believe that followers
of any religion other than their own faith is also in error. Christians want all
people be saved, even if it is considered politically incorrect to do so.
<BR>> <BR>> Best,<BR>> <BR>>
Donovan<BR>> <BR>> Joe Campbell <</FONT><A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>> Donovan wrote: "Ann Coulter did not say Jews, Muslims,
Hindus, Atheists, all <BR>> other non-Christians were worthless, or inferior
for their beliefs.<BR>> <BR>> She said that Christianity was Judaism
"perfected." How does that not entail <BR>> that Judaism is inferior to
Christianity?<BR>> <BR>> Sorry but I'm catching up on e-mail!<BR>>
<BR>> --<BR>> Joe Campbell<BR>> <BR>> ---- Donovan Arnold wrote:
<BR>> <BR>> =============<BR>> Ann Coulter should say, "Religious
conflict and war is good, and that some people should not be saved."?<BR>>
<BR>> I think this is rather absurd that people are making a big deal of
this. Ann Coulter did not say Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, all other
non-Christians were worthless, or inferior for their beliefs. She didn't say
other shouldn't be allowed to practice their religion. What she said was that
the world would be better off if the entire world was Christian. Which from an
empirical point of view, the world would be better off if it was all one
religion. Secondly, of course Christians want all others to be Christians, that
is a fundamental belief of Christians that only Christians can be saved. It is
also the belief of many religions that their religion is the better, and/or only
true religion. I am Catholic, the largest and most diverse church in the world,
and our creed specifically states that the Holy Roman Catholic Church is the
"One and Only True Church". <BR>> <BR>> If she said all Jews and
non-Christians should die, and only Christians are deserving of rights, that
would be outrageous. But to expect Ann Coulter's statements to say the opposite
is true; the world is better off if it has religious conflict and we should want
others to suffer eternal damnation, is suppose to be a more of an acceptable
statement?<BR>> <BR>> I think she was kind of set up with that question.
It didn't matter which way she answered. <BR>> <BR>> Best,<BR>>
<BR>> Donovan<BR>> <BR>> Ted Moffett wrote:<BR>> <BR>>
All-<BR>> <BR>> Ann Coulter's books sell big time... She's laughing all
the way to the bank. Carl Westberg is right on the money (no pun intended) about
Coulter being "pure show business." The more outrageous her comments, the more
publicity. It's so obvious she's deliberately aiming to upset people with
extreme political incorrectness. <BR>> <BR>> What is disturbing is that
many people really believe what she advocates. Millions do believe that the US
would be better off if we were all Christians. Correct? What is more shocking
than Coulter's comments, is that she is supported by a sizable fan base. She
definitely speaks to a large percentage of the US public that admires her frank
expression of views that they sympathize with. <BR>> <BR>> She is merely a
symptom of a much broader problem in US society.<BR>> <BR>> Ted Moffett
<BR>> <BR>> On 10/12/07, keely emerinemix wrote: This is the same Ann
Coulter who dated Joseph Guccione, publisher of that paragon of Christian
virtue, Penthouse magazine. Miz Coulter is a nutcase, and I think the orderlies
need to find stronger straps.<BR>> <BR>> keely <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ---------------------------------<BR>> From:
</FONT><A href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>privatejf32@hotmail.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>> To:
</FONT><A href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>; </FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Date:
Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:33:59 -0700<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's
Dream - from CNN <BR>> <BR>> Ann Coulter is totally nuts! "Perfected"?
"Fast Track"? What is that!!!!??? Who buys this stuff?<BR>> <BR>> J
:]<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:46:38 -0700
<BR>>> From: </FONT><A href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>> To:
</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>>
Subject: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN<BR>>> <BR>>>
Conservative commentator and best-selling author Ann Coulter may find herself in
the midst of a controversy for comments Monday suggesting America would be
better if everyone was Christian. <BR>>> <BR>>> Asked by CNBC host
Donny Deutsch what the U.S. looks like in her dreams, Coulter said it would look
like the Republican National Convention in 2004<BR>>> <BR>>> "People
were happy," she said, according to a transcript provided to CNN by CNBC.
"They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America." <BR>>>
<BR>>> When Deutsch responded, "It would be better if we were all
Christian?" Coulter said "Yeah."<BR>>> <BR>>> Deutsch, himself
Jewish, continued to press Coulter on her remarks, asking, "We should just throw
Judaism away and we should all be Christians then?" <BR>>> <BR>>>
"Yeah," Coulter responded, adding "Well, it's a lot easier. It's kind of a fast
track."<BR>>> <BR>>> "You can't possibly believe that," Deutsch
responded. "You can't possibly. You're too educated." <BR>>> <BR>>>
"Do you know what Christianity is?" Coulter replied. "See, we believe your
religion, but you have to obey. We have the fast track program."<BR>>>
<BR>>> Later in the interview Deutsch asked Coulter if she doesn't want
any Jews in the world, Coulter responded, "No, we think — we just want Jews to
be perfected, as they say." <BR>>> <BR>>> "Wow, you didn't really
say that, did you," Deutsch said.<BR>>> <BR>>>
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