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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This may come as a shock to you and the
boyz in the sandbox, Arnie, but I am a Christian, too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I don’t go to church. I don’t belong to
any specific denomination. Or at least I haven’t since I left home back in
1969. I guess since I left home you might say that I am one of them “home-schooled”
Christians. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t hold services at home. I believe in
the basic philosophies that I learned while growing up in Van Nuys and
attending a Methodist church in Sherman Oaks, California. I’m not one of those
Christian Fundamentalists or Evangelical types. I simply believe that
everybody has a right to their own happiness, provided that happiness does not
result in undue duress being forced upon others.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I don’t believe that the ONLY road to
inner happiness and one big, life-long warm fuzzy for EVERYBODY is through
Christ. During times of extreme sadness and/or hardship I have found reason to
pray. These prayers provide me a sense of self-confidence in that I can
overcome those times of sadness and/or hardship.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>For somebody to suggest with their own
sense of “authority” that there are no other options, as implied by Ann Coulter’s
statement, extends well beyond arrogance if the worst kind. Her success is
measured in dollars and cents as she laughs her way to the bank, not caring who
she steps on in route.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Seeya round town, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City></st1:place>.<br>
<br>
Tom Hansen<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place><br>
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"Wording plays a big part in understand[ing] the nature and meaning a
verse written two thousand years ago in a different language, and some Bibles
just have it plain wrong."<br>
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- Donovan Arnold (August 23, 2005)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Donovan Arnold<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, October 14, 2007
4:08 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Joe Campbell<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020]
Coulter's Dream - from CNN</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Joe,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>What cracks me up Joe, is that Christ said He is the only way, yet you
claim you can believe He is wrong and still be a follower of His. It is
contradictory to logic. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>You are arguing the impossible position, which is self contradictory.
You are arguing that He is wrong but you believe in what He says, at the same
time. You are arguing blue can be any other color of the rainbow and still be
blue. It cannot. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>"My objection is to Coulter's dogmatic, arrogant <br>
attitude about the superiority of her beliefs over those of others."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Seems you are not disagreeing with her delivery, so you reject the
validity of the message. What kind of logical error is this Mr. Professor? Seems
you are right, this professor does have a lot of work to do in separating
his emotions from the validity of the stated premise. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Joe Campbell
<joekc@adelphia.net></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>There are so many errors here, Donovan, it is hard to get started. This
is part of the reason <br>
it cracks me up when people like Crabtree make fun of philosophers! That
attitude and <br>
the inability to distinguish cogent arguments from fallacies go hand and hand.
There is <br>
lots of work for philosophers to do, it seems to me!<br>
<br>
Whether "Christ is the way to be saved" is essential to Christianity
is, as Sue noted, <br>
subject to interpretation and debate. But that is really beside the point. It
is one thing to <br>
have a belief, it is another to think that your belief is a
"perfected" form of someone <br>
else's. And it is yet a third thing to go to the trouble of saying that your
belief is a <br>
perfected form of Judaism to a Jew on national TV. You keep missing these
points.<br>
<br>
You can believe whatever you want. My objection is to Coulter’s dogmatic,
arrogant <br>
attitude about the superiority of her beliefs over those of others. This is
especially <br>
irritating since her beliefs are the product of faith, and it is hard to see
how faith could <br>
ever support arrogant dogmatism. I’m annoyed too because I’m a Christian
and some <br>
people – Paul for instance – seem to think that idiotic arrogance typifies
Christian belief.<br>
<br>
Lastly, I don't appreciate the suggestion that I'm not a Christian – nor did
I appreciate <br>
Crabtee's comment about my “ambiguous religious dispositionâ€. Funny that
both of you <br>
will stand up for a local Pastor’s right to justify slavery and capital
punishment for gays <br>
yet my own beliefs are not worthy of defense. What the hell is wrong with you
two?<br>
<br>
Unlike Ann Coulter, I consider my beliefs to be a matter between me and God and
none <br>
of your business. And unlike Ann Coulter, I know that faith is not the product
of <br>
fallacious reasoning, so I'm not trying to win folks over with hateful
rhetoric.<br>
<br>
But don't listen to me! I'm just a philosophy professor!<br>
<br>
All the best, Joe<br>
<br>
---- Donovan Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote: <br>
<br>
=============<br>
Joe,<br>
<br>
She was reiterating the Dogma of Christianity. There is no salvation without
the acceptance of Christ as your savior. If you don't understand that
fundamental fact, or don't believe it, you obviously are not a Christian. It is
core dogma of the religion. <br>
<br>
A mean vindictive person would wish for Jews to die, or parish. She said she
wished the opposite, that they would accept Christ so that they can be saved.
That sounds like more of a loving statement than a hateful one to me. <br>
<br>
She was not singling out Jews, the commentator was because he was Jewish, she
believes that all religions outside of Christianity are in error, as do all
Christians. I think you will also find that followers of the Jewish and Muslim
faiths likewise believe that followers of any religion other than their own
faith is also in error. Christians want all people be saved, even if it is
considered politically incorrect to do so. <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Donovan<br>
<br>
Joe Campbell <JOEKC@ADELPHIA.NET>wrote:<br>
Donovan wrote: "Ann Coulter did not say Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists,
all <br>
other non-Christians were worthless, or inferior for their beliefs.<br>
<br>
She said that Christianity was Judaism "perfected." How does that not
entail <br>
that Judaism is inferior to Christianity?<br>
<br>
Sorry but I'm catching up on e-mail!<br>
<br>
--<br>
Joe Campbell<br>
<br>
---- Donovan Arnold wrote: <br>
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=============<br>
Ann Coulter should say, "Religious conflict and war is good, and that some
people should not be saved."?<br>
<br>
I think this is rather absurd that people are making a big deal of this. Ann
Coulter did not say Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, all other non-Christians
were worthless, or inferior for their beliefs. She didn't say other shouldn't
be allowed to practice their religion. What she said was that the world would
be better off if the entire world was Christian. Which from an empirical point
of view, the world would be better off if it was all one religion. Secondly, of
course Christians want all others to be Christians, that is a fundamental
belief of Christians that only Christians can be saved. It is also the belief
of many religions that their religion is the better, and/or only true religion.
I am Catholic, the largest and most diverse church in the world, and our creed
specifically states that the Holy Roman Catholic Church is the "One and
Only True Church". <br>
<br>
If she said all Jews and non-Christians should die, and only Christians are
deserving of rights, that would be outrageous. But to expect Ann Coulter's
statements to say the opposite is true; the world is better off if it has
religious conflict and we should want others to suffer eternal damnation, is
suppose to be a more of an acceptable statement?<br>
<br>
I think she was kind of set up with that question. It didn't matter which way
she answered. <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Donovan<br>
<br>
Ted Moffett wrote:<br>
<br>
All-<br>
<br>
Ann Coulter's books sell big time... She's laughing all the way to the bank.
Carl Westberg is right on the money (no pun intended) about Coulter being
"pure show business." The more outrageous her comments, the more
publicity. It's so obvious she's deliberately aiming to upset people with
extreme political incorrectness. <br>
<br>
What is disturbing is that many people really believe what she advocates.
Millions do believe that the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>
would be better off if we were all Christians. Correct? What is more shocking
than Coulter's comments, is that she is supported by a sizable fan base. She
definitely speaks to a large percentage of the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> public that admires her frank
expression of views that they sympathize with. <br>
<br>
She is merely a symptom of a much broader problem in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> society.<br>
<br>
Ted Moffett <br>
<br>
On 10/12/07, keely emerinemix wrote: This is the same Ann Coulter who dated
Joseph Guccione, publisher of that paragon of Christian virtue, Penthouse
magazine. Miz Coulter is a nutcase, and I think the orderlies need to find
stronger straps.<br>
<br>
keely <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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From: privatejf32@hotmail.com<br>
To: joekc@adelphia.net; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:33:59 -0700<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN <br>
<br>
Ann Coulter is totally nuts! "Perfected"? "Fast Track"?
What is that!!!!??? Who buys this stuff?<br>
<br>
J :]<br>
<br>
<br>
> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:46:38 -0700 <br>
> From: joekc@adelphia.net<br>
> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN<br>
> <br>
> Conservative commentator and best-selling author Ann Coulter may find
herself in the midst of a controversy for comments Monday suggesting America
would be better if everyone was Christian. <br>
> <br>
> Asked by CNBC host Donny Deutsch what the U.S. looks like in her dreams,
Coulter said it would look like the Republican National Convention in 2004<br>
> <br>
> "People were happy," she said, according to a transcript
provided to CNN by CNBC. "They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>."
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> <br>
> When Deutsch responded, "It would be better if we were all
Christian?" Coulter said "Yeah."<br>
> <br>
> Deutsch, himself Jewish, continued to press Coulter on her remarks,
asking, "We should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians
then?" <br>
> <br>
> "Yeah," Coulter responded, adding "Well, it's a lot easier.
It's kind of a fast track."<br>
> <br>
> "You can't possibly believe that," Deutsch responded. "You
can't possibly. You're too educated." <br>
> <br>
> "Do you know what Christianity is?" Coulter replied. "See,
we believe your religion, but you have to obey. We have the fast track
program."<br>
> <br>
> Later in the interview Deutsch asked Coulter if she doesn't want any Jews
in the world, Coulter responded, "No, we think  we just want Jews
to be perfected, as they say." <br>
> <br>
> "Wow, you didn't really say that, did you," Deutsch said.<br>
> <br>
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