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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mr. Rumelhart, If the feud between the brothers
Wilson is the example of the worst we might have to look
forward to should the world be turned 100% to Christianity then all I can say is
it can't happen fast enough.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To the best of my knowledge, Evan has not attempted
to run a car bomb into a school that has Doug's kin in attendance and Doug has
made no effort to rain down mortars on the area immediately adjacent to the
Big Haus. Conflict such as this would be a welcome relief from what
we endure currently. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Once this level of hostility is achieved world
wide, we could seek to bring it down yet another notch to the point where
disagreement is expressed via the tactically delivered
Christmas fruit cake or the strategically launched Easter
celebration.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Paul Rumelhart" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>godshatter@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Donovan Arnold" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "Joe
Campbell" <</FONT><A href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:27
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from
CNN</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>I don't have any hostility towards christians whatsoever. I just don't
<BR>think the world will be such a perfect place if they got their wish and
<BR>everyone was brought into the fold. For an example of what I'm talking
<BR>about, look at Doug Wilson and his brother. They believe almost exactly
<BR>the same thing, especially when you compare their beliefs to those of a
<BR>buddhist or a shinto priest. Yet they have one point of contention and
<BR>they spend the rest of their lives fighting about it.<BR><BR>This absolute
belief that a person's religion is the best one is the <BR>problem. I'm
beginning to see Richard Dawkin's point about this. Having <BR>such a belief,
that you are absolutely right to have chosen the religion <BR>you have, is
dangerous. For one thing, most religions are doing this - <BR>so you know that
at least one of you is wrong. That should be enough to <BR>make you wonder, deep
down, if you really are on the right team or not. <BR>For a second thing, most
people don't choose their religions. They take <BR>what they were given at birth
and make a go of it. Assuming you were <BR>born at the perfect time and place to
be among the Chosen is about as <BR>absurd as believing that your particular
genetics make you part of a <BR>race of uber-humans.<BR><BR>I know I'm burning
through whatever respect I once had, but understand <BR>that it's OK to question
your beliefs, no matter how fundamental they are.<BR><BR>In my perfect world,
there would be no organized religions. Everyone <BR>would seek the Truth for
themselves. You would spend the rest of your <BR>life not knowing or caring what
people other than those that you are <BR>closest to you believed in terms of
spirituality. Maybe most people <BR>would end up being secretly Catholic. Who
knows?<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR>> Paul,<BR>> Wow, you
really got some hostility towards Christians! I personally <BR>> don't see a
great deal of conflict between people of the same religion <BR>> for
religious reasons. Most wars and conflict are about control of a <BR>>
limited valuable resource, such as land, gold, diamonds, or oil, not a <BR>>
religious belief. Secondly, most Christians are in South America and <BR>>
Africa. I don't think these nations, as a whole, are particularly <BR>>
hostile to others for their brand of particular practice of <BR>>
Christianity. Most of them are just poor people trying to eek out an <BR>>
existence under brutal governments.<BR>> In regards to AC's statements, I
think what you said was what she was <BR>> meaning; she was not given an
opportunity to elaborate, she was asked <BR>> a poorly worded question and
she said "yeah". The interviewer worded <BR>> the question, not her. I don't
think it "shocking" that a person would <BR>> respond in the affirmative that
their religion is the best one, or <BR>> would want others to share in the
rewards of following that faith.<BR>> Again, she did not make demeaning
statement about others, or their <BR>> faith. Just that she thought her faith
was the best one, which is, <BR>> what most religious people would
say.<BR>> Best,<BR>> Donovan<BR>><BR>> */Paul Rumelhart
<</FONT><A href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com>/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>godshatter@yahoo.com>/</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>*
wrote:<BR>><BR>> From what I can see, the world
would not be a better place if it was<BR>> all
Christian. Take a look at who Christians attack the
most<BR>> vehemently.<BR>>
It's not the athiests, it's not the satanists, it's not the
muslims.<BR>> It's other Christians. Any small
difference between two sects, no<BR>>
matter<BR>> how trivial, is grist for the mill. There
is no room for tolerance<BR>> there. When you truly
believe that the Supreme Mugwump of the<BR>>
Universe<BR>> tells you that you are Right and the
rest of the world is Wrong,<BR>>
there<BR>> is no room for such trivial things as an
opposing opinion.<BR>><BR>> And while I take your
point that Ann Coulter was set up with that<BR>>
question, she could have provided an answer that was reasoned, low
on<BR>> rhetoric, and that was less egocentric. She
could have mentioned that<BR>> she hoped that
everyone would become Christian so they could be<BR>>
saved,<BR>> or that she thought a world that followed
Christian morals would be a<BR>> safer, happier place
or something. But I didn't get that from her<BR>>
comments. I got that we should all be of her religion because she
is<BR>> Right and we are Wrong. She deserves
everything she's getting from<BR>>
the<BR>> media right now, in my
opinion.<BR>><BR>> I'm just happy that I don't
watch TV and so I get to miss out on all<BR>> this.
I've still never heard her speak, and I'm happier for
it.<BR>><BR>>
Paul<BR>><BR>> Donovan Arnold
wrote:<BR>> > Ann Coulter should say, "Religious
conflict and war is good, and<BR>>
that<BR>> > some people should not be
saved."?<BR>> > I think this is rather absurd that
people are making a big deal of<BR>> > this. Ann
Coulter did not say Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists,
all<BR>> > other non-Christians were worthless, or
inferior for their beliefs.<BR>> > She didn't say
other shouldn't be allowed to practice their<BR>>
religion.<BR>> > What she said was that the world
would be better off if the entire<BR>> > world was
Christian. Which from an empirical point of view,
the<BR>> world<BR>> >
would be better off if it was all one religion. Secondly, of
course<BR>> > Christians want all others to be
Christians, that is a fundamental<BR>> > belief of
Christians that only Christians can be saved. It
is<BR>> also the<BR>> >
belief of many religions that their religion is the better,
and/or<BR>> > only true religion. I am Catholic,
the largest and most diverse<BR>>
church<BR>> > in the world, and our creed
specifically states that the Holy Roman<BR>> >
Catholic Church is the "One and Only True
Church".<BR>> > If she said all Jews and
non-Christians should die, and only<BR>> >
Christians are deserving of rights, that would be
outrageous.<BR>> But
to<BR>> > expect Ann Coulter's statements to say
the opposite is true; the<BR>>
world<BR>> > is better off if it has religious
conflict and we should want<BR>>
others<BR>> > to suffer eternal damnation, is
suppose to be a more of an<BR>>
acceptable<BR>> >
statement?<BR>> > I think she was kind of set up
with that question. It didn't matter<BR>> > which
way she answered.<BR>> >
Best,<BR>> >
Donovan<BR>> ><BR>>
> */Ted Moffett /* wrote:<BR>>
><BR>> > All-<BR>>
> Ann Coulter's books sell big time... She's laughing all the way
to<BR>> > the bank. Carl Westberg is right on the
money (no pun intended)<BR>> > about Coulter being
"pure show business." The more outrageous her<BR>>
> comments, the more publicity. It's so obvious she's
deliberately<BR>> > aiming to upset people with
extreme political incorrectness.<BR>> > What is
disturbing is that many people really believe what
she<BR>> > advocates. Millions do believe that the
US would be better off if<BR>> > we were all
Christians. Correct? What is more shocking than<BR>>
> Coulter's comments, is that she is supported by a sizable
fan<BR>> > base. She definitely speaks to a large
percentage of the US public<BR>> > that admires
her frank expression of views that they
sympathize<BR>> with.<BR>>
> She is merely a symptom of a much broader problem in US
society.<BR>> > Ted
Moffett<BR>> > On 10/12/07, *keely
emerinemix*<BR>> > >
wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >
This is the same Ann Coulter who dated Joseph
Guccione,<BR>> > publisher of that paragon of
Christian virtue, Penthouse<BR>> > magazine. Miz
Coulter is a nutcase, and I think the orderlies<BR>>
> need to find stronger straps.<BR>>
><BR>> > keely<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>>
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;<BR>> > </FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:33:59
-0700<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's
Dream - from CNN<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> >
Ann Coulter is totally nuts! "Perfected"? "Fast
Track"?<BR>> > What is that!!!!??? Who buys this
stuff?<BR>> ><BR>> >
J :]<BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> > > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:46:38
-0700<BR>> > > From: </FONT><A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> > > To: </FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> > > Subject: [Vision2020] Coulter's
Dream - from CNN<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Conservative commentator and
best-selling author Ann<BR>> > Coulter may find
herself in the midst of a controversy for<BR>> >
comments Monday suggesting America would be better
if<BR>> > everyone was
Christian.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Asked by CNBC host Donny Deutsch
what the U.S. looks like<BR>> > in her dreams,
Coulter said it would look like the<BR>> >
Republican National Convention in 2004<BR>> >
><BR>> > > "People were happy," she said,
according to a transcript<BR>> > provided to CNN
by CNBC. "They're Christian. They're<BR>> >
tolerant. They defend America."<BR>> >
><BR>> > > When Deutsch responded, "It would
be better if we were<BR>> > all Christian?"
Coulter said "Yeah."<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Deutsch, himself Jewish,
continued to press Coulter on<BR>> > her remarks,
asking, "We should just throw Judaism away<BR>> >
and we should all be Christians then?"<BR>> >
><BR>> > > "Yeah," Coulter responded, adding
"Well, it's a lot<BR>> > easier. It's kind of a
fast track."<BR>> >
><BR>> > > "You can't possibly believe
that," Deutsch responded.<BR>> > "You can't
possibly. You're too educated."<BR>> >
><BR>> > > "Do you know what Christianity
is?" Coulter replied.<BR>> > "See, we believe your
religion, but you have to obey. We<BR>> > have the
fast track program."<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Later in the interview Deutsch
asked Coulter if she<BR>> > doesn't want any Jews
in the world, Coulter responded,<BR>> > "No, we
think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as
they<BR>> > say."<BR>>
> ><BR>> > > "Wow, you didn't really say
that, did you," Deutsch said.<BR>> >
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