I agree and would also add that many people won't call because they don't want to be identified or have it known to EVERYONE that they called. I don't think they have to be identified but I think many people think they will be. <br><br><b><i>Saundra Lund <sslund@roadrunner.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2
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<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> <div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;">Hi Tom,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;">Here’s the applicable part of </span><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;">Sec. 5-12. Nuisance by Animals.<o:p></o:p></span></b></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Times-Roman","serif";">“B. 1. It shall be unlawful for any person to own, keep, control or harbor any animal which by any barking, howling, whining, crowing or by any source or cry, disturbs or is likely to disturb the peace and quiet of any<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Times-Roman","serif";">reasonable person. Provided that no person shall be prosecuted under this subsection unless:<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Times-Roman","serif";">a. Written notice of the noise has been issued by a law enforcement officer to the property owner or person in<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Times-Roman","serif";">possession of the property wherein the animal is located, or the animal’s owner, keeper, controller or harborer, or is left at the premises where the animal is located, at least twenty-four (24) hours but not more than thirty (30) days prior to the filing of a formal complaint; and<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Times-Roman","serif";">b. The noise upon which such complaint is issued has been witnessed by a law enforcement officer.”<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Times-Roman","serif";"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;">I don’t know that there <b>are</b> any perfect solutions. I agree that we are a college town and have
to expect some boisterousness, but it’s a little more difficult to take when, for instance, college students are partying hardy outside your bedroom window at 3 AM (and have been for hours), you ask them to move it inside because you have to be up at 6 AM to teach summer school, and they refuse.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;">Or, when you have friends over for dessert on your deck, and you have to listen to the insane ferocious barking of several dogs in a nearby yard for long enough that it drives you from your property at 6:30 PM, and the dogs are still barking when you return at 10 PM, and the dogs continue to bark incessantly until after the bars
close.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;">[The two examples above are real-life examples from right here in Moscow.]</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;">The last thing most of us ever want to do is alienate neighbors, and calling the cops to complain definitely falls into the “alienation” category. I’ve never
called the cops about noise, so I don’t know how they’d respond, but in looking at the police daily log online, it seems clear that noise is a pretty significant problem for some people or in some areas of town. From that perspective, I can understand why some people think things need to be changed. It’s difficult to be reasonable when you’re dealing with inconsiderate neighbors who keep you from sleeping.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: black;">Saundra Lund<br> Moscow, ID<br> <br> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<br> - Edmund Burke <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Ivie<br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 05, 2007 9:58 AM<br> <b>To:</b> vision2020@moscow.com<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Noise Ordinance-Fix It<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">I think
there is a barking dog ordinance that is separate from this noise ordinance, what does it say? Does it have a time limit? Maybe the two could mirror each other, noise is noise. Maybe someone can explain EXACTLY what passed by Council vs what will be considered by the Admin Comm. I trust our police, our current chief and assistant chief, but we may not always trust all of their predecessors. That is why there needs to be some kind of check in play with this ordinance. Not because of the situation now, but for the future. <br> <br> <b><i>Mike Curley <curley_33@hotmail.com></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Wonderful Sunil, Garrett, Gary. After you hold hands and sing Kum Bah Ya for a bit would you work together to fix the proposed ordinance. I don't want a hot garage band to be silenced, but then I'd be really happy if a vehicle as loud as a NASCAR competitor or a 2am
party fracas could be shut down immediately rather than 48 hours later. You bright fellows will surely be able to suggest solutions to undo the Draconian parts and allow us all to remain boisterous but unoffensive.<br> Happy weekend.<br> Mike Curley<br> <br> > From: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br> > To: vision2020@moscow.com<br> > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:27:28 -0700<br> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oppose Noise Ordinance Modifications<br> > <br> > Amazing. First I agree with something DA wrote yesterday, then I agree with <br> > this from GC.<br> > <br> > Better take my foil hat off next lightning storm.<br> > <br> > Sunil<br> > <br> > <br> > >From: "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com><br> > >To: "david sarff" <davesway@hotmail.com>, "Garrett Clevenger" <br> > ><garrettmc@verizon.net>, <vision2020@moscow.com><br> > >CC: msolomon@moscow.com, privatejf32@hotmail.com<br>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oppose Noise Ordinance Modifications<br> > >Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:12:38 -0700<br> > ><br> > >Just so Ms. Ford doesn't have to hurt herself revising her position, I do<br> > >happen to agree with Mr. Clevenger. The ordinance as proposed strikes me as<br> > >arbitrary and not a little draconian. I like my peace and quite as much as<br> > >the next fellow but I think that the council will be making a mistake if<br> > >they pass this over-reaction as proposed. I agree with Mr. C because it<br> > >"soots my constitution."<br> > ><br> > >the other gc<br> > >----- Original Message -----<br> > >From: "david sarff" <davesway@hotmail.com><br> > >To: "Garrett Clevenger" <garrettmc@verizon.net>; <vision2020@moscow.com><br> > >Cc: <privatejf32@hotmail.com>; <msolomon@moscow.com><br> > >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:59 PM<br>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oppose Noise Ordinance Modifications<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > >I note the gc you print at the end of your post, I suspect J was confusing<br> > >you with Gary Crabtree.<br> > >Gary's not a kirker either. He just votes his pocket book and supports<br> > >property rights in a similar way.<br> > >Dave<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > > Thanks for the voucher, Mark. J :] sent me an email<br> > > > a few days ago and I thought he was kidding. Perhaps<br> > > > he still is?<br> > > ><br> > > > Makes you wonder, though, how fanatism creeps in to<br> > > > someone's head and makes them jump to conclusions<br> > > > without knowing all the facts.<br> > > ><br> > > > I suppose we are all guilty of that from time to time.<br> > > ><br> > > > Perhaps knowing this J :] will have a
different<br> > > > perspective on my thoughts on the issue?<br> > > ><br> > > > Or perhaps he is content knowing the City Council<br> > > > wants to empower the police to give anyone in Moscow,<br> > > > at their discretion, a citation for making a bit of<br> > > > noise (no specified level) at any time without any<br> > > > warning and without any civilian complaint.<br> > > ><br> > > > Sounds like something the Taliban or Iranian<br> > > > government would love.<br> > > ><br> > > > It also makes me wonder, though, what kind of vision J<br> > > > :] has of Moscow. Perhaps the Kirkers aren't all<br> > > > that bad in comparison?<br> > > ><br> > > > A little levity folks, badda-bing!<br> > > ><br> > > > gc<br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > >
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