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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, I would hope hitting on a woman in a public
place isn't really assumed to be normal male behavior either. And isn't
publically propositioning a woman for consensual sexual contact a crime in most
states? Maybe it shouldn't be, but that's a question for another
forum. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=godshatter@yahoo.com
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</A> ; <A
title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">'Donovan Arnold'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 28, 2007 6:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Thought Police:
Re:Senator Larry Craig ChallengesGuilty Plea</DIV>
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<DIV>I think Craig was trying to have relations with another man. However,
when is propositioning a man for consensual sexual contact a crime?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>How many men would be arrested and locked up for hitting on a woman
in a public place? Is it just worse because same sex relationships are not
equal or "normal"?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think Craig made it clear to the officer that he wanted to engage in
sexual activity with him, but they did not actually have sex in a public
place. Craig may have wanted to take him with him or rent a room. We don't
know. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think if police officers want to bust people for having sex in a public
restroom, they should catch them in the act. If they want to limit or
eliminate sexual activity in the restroom, they should post a warning sign
indicating that place is under male police surveillance and any
illegal activity will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But again, I ask, was the police officer sitting on the scraper for hours
with his pants up or down? Either way, it would seem like an odd thing to do,
and could be seen as an invitation for people to look in and see why a guy is
sitting in a stall with pants up/down for hours. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Secondly, if I really had to use the stall, and a guy was taking one up,
sitting in there with his pants up, for hours, I would be staring through the
crack too, banging on the door, trying to get him up and out of there so I
could use it for its intended purpose. A guy blocking a crapper needlessly is
highly unpopular, especially if you are late for a connecting flight or had a
mean burrito for lunch. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I've
posted on this before, but I might as well do it again, I guess.<BR><BR>I
don't think that Senator Craig should be punished by the law for
<BR>something as stupid as bumping another man's foot, looking through a
<BR>crack in a door, or moving his hand under the partition. Couldn't the
<BR>officer have done whatever was expected next, which I presume is to come
<BR>over to his stall, and wait for him to make an undeniable request for
<BR>sex (verbally or bodily) before arresting him?<BR><BR>As for the peeping
through the door thing, am I the only person around <BR>here that will
sometimes stare into space when I'm thinking about <BR>something deeply,
only to "come to" with the realization that I've been <BR>staring at someone
the entire time? I'm not saying I do this every day, <BR>but I've done it
before. I can't be the only one. I'm not saying that is <BR>what happened to
Craig, but it's definitely possible.<BR><BR>I can also see an occasion where
someone might want to plead guilty to <BR>something they didn't do in an
attempt to avoid certain people finding <BR>out about it. That doesn't speak
too highly of him if he did that, but a <BR>guilty plea to a misdemeanor
doesn't mean the person did it absolutely. <BR>If you think he is the kind
of guy that solicits sex in a public <BR>bathroom, why is it so unbelievable
that he might have lied to gain a <BR>perceived
advantage?<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>Tom Hansen wrote:<BR>><BR>> Jeesh,
Arnie!<BR>><BR>> Here is a link to the police complaint, police
reports, and the audio <BR>> file of Senator Craig’s police interview
(with transcript).<BR>><BR>>
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0828071craig1.html<BR>><BR>>
Nope. No wiggle room here, try as you might.<BR>><BR>> Seeya round
town, Moscow.<BR>><BR>> Tom Hansen<BR>> Moscow,
Idaho<BR>><BR>> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college
students. The <BR>> college students are not very active in local
elections (thank <BR>> goodness!)."<BR>><BR>> - Dale Courtney
(March 28, 2007)<BR>><BR>>
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*From:* vision2020-bounces@moscow.com <BR>>
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Donovan Arnold<BR>>
*Sent:* Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:21 PM<BR>> *To:* Sunil
Ramalingam<BR>> *Cc:* vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> *Subject:* Re:
[Vision2020] Senator Larry Craig Challenges Guilty Plea<BR>><BR>> I
have a question here. Was the cop sitting on the toilet for hours <BR>>
with his pants up or down?<BR>><BR>> Think about the oddity of either
situation for that moment.<BR>><BR>>
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