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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mr. Kovis,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I would say it because I believe it to be
true. Had a representative of the local campus Republicans stood up and asked
more than his or her share of questions, held forth on their own
opinions, monopolized others time, all the while wildly waving Ann Coulters
latest book around as though it were revelation divine and refused to yield when
requested, I feel sure that Mr. R would have been in favor of their being
removed as well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I said nothing about whether he would be able to
defend such a person fairly and adequately, I imagine that he would. I
don't know you and as a result I will withhold my judgment.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not sure what your personnel preference with
regard to who used to be behind you back in the day has to do with
this conversation other then to express your general distain for conservatives.
I suppose that many of them feel the same way about you and yours. Who
cares?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As to your quaint notion that your right to speak
out is greater in Mexico or Croatia, I suggest you try a similar stunt in one of
those countries and see how fast you find yourself somewhere other than in front
of a live microphone. The issue in this case was the appropriateness of the kids
conduct not the content of his speech.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lastly, how do you determine what it is that I
should apologize for when it comes to a third party? Do you imagine that every
time someone is incorrect in some way (I don't think I am, obviously) they
need to make some great show of penance before the world to atone for their sin?
Stupid notion. If Sunil has a major problem with what I write I feel sure he
will call it to my attention the next time we meet, if not sooner. Your
prompting or in the matter will not be required or given any consideration,
serious or otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Chuck Kovis" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ckovis@turbonet.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>ckovis@turbonet.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "Sunil
Ramalingam" <</FONT><A href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 7:13
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student
tasered</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Gary, Why would you say that? Do you think that defense
attorneys like<BR>> Sunil and me only defend people we like and the causes
they espouse? When I<BR>> was in the Army, I would rather have one Sunil
covering my back than ten<BR>> right-wingers who want the cops to take care
of business. You have more<BR>> freedom of speech in Mexico or Croatia
than you do in the "Greatest Country<BR>> on God's Green Earth." You
owe Sunil an apology. Chuck Kovis<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original
Message -----<BR>> From: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>> To:
"Sunil Ramalingam" <</FONT><A href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> Cc: <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:51 PM<BR>> Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> I
very much doubt that you would be making the same argument if the guy<BR>>
was<BR>>> a raving Bush supporter who refused to stand down after his time
was up<BR>> and<BR>>> only wanted to hold forth, not ask a specific
question.<BR>>><BR>>> g<BR>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>> From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:25 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Kerry speech/student tasered<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> >
Paul,<BR>>> ><BR>>> > The possibility that the student was
looking to 'shake things up' is, if<BR>>> > true, irrelevant. He
was at a political forum engaging in political<BR>>> >
speech.<BR>>> > That's protected by the First Amendment.
None of us have to like it;<BR>>> > it's<BR>>> > protected
speech. I wouldn't say there was a 'conspiracy' to shut his<BR>>>
> views<BR>>> > down, but someone made the wrong decision to shut
down what was clearly<BR>> a<BR>>> > dialog between him and
Kerry.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > I won't defend the decision to taser
him. I think it's abominable.<BR>> They<BR>>> > shouldn't have
been touching him, let alone choosing between options<BR>> such<BR>>>
> as<BR>>> > electrocuting him or dislocating his shoulder or
breaking his wrist.<BR>> They<BR>>> > were state actors shutting
down free speech, and they shouldn't have<BR>> been<BR>>> > doing
anything of the sort. They should have allowed him to exercise<BR>>
his<BR>>> > rights.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > It would be
different if he showed up and did this in your living room;<BR>>> >
but<BR>>> > this was a political event. There are few places
where political speech<BR>>> > is<BR>>> > more appropriate
than in this setting.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > You're right that Kerry
didn't initiate anything. Instead of trying to<BR>>> >
stop<BR>>> > this, he did nothing but drone on. He could have
told the cops there<BR>> was<BR>>> > no<BR>>> > need for
their action. He could have reminded them that this is<BR>>
America,<BR>>> > and that citizens are allowed to question politicians,
and that<BR>>> > politicians<BR>>> > answer to the
People. What a chance to show what free speech means!<BR>>
But<BR>>> > instead he showed once again his innate ability to miss an
opportunity;<BR>>> > oddly enough, that was the thesis of one of the
student's questions.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Sunil<BR>>>
><BR>>> ><BR>>> >>From: Paul Rumelhart <</FONT><A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>godshatter@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
>>To: Ted Moffett <</FONT><A href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>starbliss@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> >>CC: Sunil Ramalingam <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>,<BR>> </FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student
tasered<BR>>> >>Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:34:15 -0700<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >>I think there are a couple of things going on
here.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>The first was a decision by the
police to remove him from the microphone<BR>>> >>and from the
vicinity. The second was to taser him when they did. I'm<BR>>>
>>unsure about the first decision. I have little pity for him,
because I<BR>>> >>think he was looking for an avenue to "shake
things up". That's just my<BR>>> >>opinion. I also don't
think he was removed from the podium because of<BR>> any<BR>>>
>>specific thing he said. I don't think he was removed because he
was<BR>>> >>upsetting Kerry, either. I think he was removed
because he was<BR>> recognized<BR>>> >>as someone who disrupts
public events. I would rather that they let him<BR>>> >>finish
his question. However, I don't think he wanted to be allowed
to<BR>>> >>finish his question, I think he wanted to make a
scene. I don't see a<BR>>> >>conspiracy to shut this man's
views down. If he had asked them calmly<BR>> and<BR>>>
>>politely, he would probably have been fine.<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >>The decision to taser him when they did I can
somewhat agree with. They<BR>>> >>were removing him from the
room, and he would not calm down and submit<BR>> to<BR>>> >>that
action. When they had him on the ground, presumably trying to
get<BR>>> >>cuffs on him, he wouldn't stop shouting and wouldn't
cooperate. So they<BR>>> >>tasered him, after warning him they
were going to taser him several<BR>> times,<BR>>> >>in order to
shake him up long enough to get control of him. I think<BR>>
they<BR>>> >>chose to do that rather than to do something more
damaging, such as<BR>>> >>dislocating a shoulder or breaking a
wrist. I say that I can "somewhat"<BR>>> >>agree with the
decision because I'm not an expert in restraining<BR>> someone.<BR>>>
>>Perhaps they had other less headline-making options at their
disposal.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>This is all my opinion from
watching one of the videos on youtube that<BR>>> >>shows the arrest,
and from reading comments on various websites on this<BR>>> >>guy's
history.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>I also think this had nothing
to do with Kerry. He was willing to<BR>> answer<BR>>> >>the
questions, and he didn't initiate anything.<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>>Paul<BR>>> >><BR>>> >>Ted Moffett
wrote:<BR>>> >>>Sunil et. al.<BR>>> >>>
Sorry, I had not read the story at the "Counterpunch" link you<BR>>
offered.<BR>>> >>>And given some of the responses to this thread,
I wonder how many<BR>> others<BR>>> >>>read the story. I
found out what the student was questioning Kerry<BR>> about<BR>>>
>>>(the Palast book and the "stolen" election of 2004, etc.) from
other<BR>>> >>>sources. The more I find out about what
happened in this incident, the<BR>>> >>>more disturbing the
police response appears. As the "Counterpunch"<BR>> story<BR>>>
>>>headline questions, "Why did Senator John Kerry stand idly
by?" I<BR>> wonder<BR>>> >>>if Kerry has issued any
public responses to the coverage of this story<BR>> in<BR>>>
>>>the media.<BR>>> >>> Meyer (the tasered
student) asked very good questions that need to be<BR>>> >>>asked
over and over...<BR>>> >>> The questions asked were,
according to the "Counterpunch" article:<BR>>> >>> At the
conclusion of Kerry's speech, Andrew Meyer, a 21-year old<BR>>>
>>>journalism student was selected by Senator Kerry to ask a
question.<BR>>> >>>Meyer<BR>>> >>>held up a copy
of BBC investigative reporter Greg Palast's book, Armed<BR>>>
>>>Madhouse, and asked if Kerry was aware that Palast's
investigations<BR>>> >>>determined that Kerry had actually won
the election. Why, Meyer asked,<BR>>> >>>had Kerry conceded
the election so quickly when there were so many<BR>>>
>>>obvious<BR>>> >>>examples of vote fraud? Why,
Meyer, went on to ask, was Kerry refusing<BR>>> >>>to<BR>>>
>>>consider Bush's impeachment when Bush was about to initiate another
act<BR>>> >>>of<BR>>> >>>military aggression, this
time against
Iran?<BR>>><BR>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>>
>>>Ted Moffett<BR>>> >>><BR>>> ><BR>>>
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