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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You're quite right the "another " was in
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Saundra Lund" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sslund@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sslund@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "'g. crabtree'" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "'Sunil
Ramalingam'" <</FONT><A href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 4:21
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student
tasered</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>In part, Gary Crabtree wrote:<BR>"You apparently believe that the kid who
was tazered had every right to not<BR>follow the rules set out at the event
Kerry spoke at. By your standard<BR>should he have been allowed to go on for
another 15 minutes?"<BR><BR>Quit your gross exaggeration -- the guy had spoken
for all of about 30<BR>seconds before the cops first interrupted
him.<BR><BR><BR>Saundra Lund<BR>Moscow, ID<BR><BR>The only thing necessary for
the triumph of evil is for good people to do<BR>nothing.<BR>- Edmund
Burke<BR><BR>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006 through
life plus<BR>70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
outside<BR>the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of
the<BR>author.*****<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: </FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<BR>On Behalf Of g. crabtree<BR>Sent:
Saturday, September 22, 2007 4:06 PM<BR>To: Sunil Ramalingam<BR>Cc: </FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered<BR><BR>Now I'm afraid it's you that is
deliberately misconstruing a point. I am<BR>"choosing" to stick to nothing. I
most assuredly did not accuse you of<BR>"supporting state action to squelch
political speech." I was attempting to<BR>determine where you think the line is
to be drawn. You might note the<BR>question marks sprinkled through out my
posts.<BR> <BR>You apparently believe that the kid who was tazered had
every right to not<BR>follow the rules set out at the event Kerry spoke at. By
your standard<BR>should he have been allowed to go on for another 15 minutes? An
hour? Till<BR>the cows came home? What about if instead of a topic that is near
and dear<BR>to your heart he had elected to carry on about repealing the 13th
and 14th<BR>amendment? That would still fall under the umbrella of political
speech<BR>after all. Or does that take the discussion that extra centimeter and
become<BR>the dreaded "Hate Speech." Abhorred by all and protected by
none.<BR> <BR>Candidates at a debate have rules laid out in advance
stipulating time<BR>limits. If they egregiously exceed these limits the
moderator will cut them<BR>off and if ness kill their mike. Is this a
constitutional travesty? <BR> <BR>How about the AARP event that
Ms. Hovey announced earlier today. If I jump<BR>up and commence a 90 minute
conservative rant about the evils of the current<BR>Mayor and council, even
though the event schedule has been clearly laid out,<BR>will that be just ducky
by you? Political speech at a political event after<BR>all.<BR> <BR>Nice
try on the "I was six" dodge. I was 10. At least a dozen years before
I<BR>started to be aware of anything that didn't involve girls and
debauchery.<BR>We've both been to school. You write as though you may have been
paying<BR>attention. It's not as though the events surrounding the 1968
democratic<BR>convention in Chicago were an obscure, seldom mentioned event. The
whole<BR>Chicago 7 situation revolved around the notion of violent demonstration
as<BR>political speech at what was a decidedly political event. Still diggen'
the<BR>all's fair speech wise at a political gathering?<BR> <BR>Just so
there's no mistaking my intent this time around, the point I am<BR>making, and
the question I am asking is where do you draw the line? Oh, and<BR>for the
record I did not tell or challenge "Andy to find support for his<BR>statement,"
I told him flat out there was none to be had. Subtle difference<BR>I know and, I
suspect, you know as well. It just wouldn't have made your<BR>case quite as well
to have been accurate.<BR> <BR>g<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From:
"Sunil Ramalingam" <</FONT><A href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2><</FONT><A href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
><BR>Cc: <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
><BR>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:16 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Kerry speech/student tasered<BR><BR><BR>> Then Gary, you are choosing to
stick to a belief that I have never <BR>> supported. The only thing you
are proving is that you don't know squat <BR>> about me or my beliefs.
Your position is the written version of covering <BR>> your ears and shouting
"La la la," but have at it, it's still a free <BR>> country. For
now.<BR>> <BR>> You just told Andy to find support for his statement about
you in your<BR>last <BR>> hundred or so posts. I challenge you to find
me supporting state action<BR>to <BR>> squelch political speech in my
posts. Good luck and pack a lunch. You<BR>have <BR>> nothing but
your wish to pin a belief to me, one that I don't hold. You <BR>> want
people to support what they say about you, but you don't hold<BR>yourself
<BR>> to the same standard when it comes to others.<BR>> <BR>> I am
talking here about a person who was engaged in political speech. It
<BR>> was not accompanied by violence. This doesn't have to be
construed as <BR>> political speech in 'some vague way .'<BR>> <BR>>
The Yippees in Chicago in '68? I was 6, Gary, I must have missed the
<BR>> footage while I was riding my bike, so I'm not talking about
them. Not <BR>> interested in bait-and-switch.<BR>> <BR>>
Sunil<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>From: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>><BR>>>To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2><</FONT><A href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
><BR>>>CC: <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
><BR>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student
tasered<BR>>>Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:56:42
-0700<BR>>><BR>>>I understand perfectly well that you're unhappy
with Theresa's boy<BR>>>and I'm skeptical about your assertion. Would you
have extended your <BR>>>argument to the Yippies in Chicago in '68?
Violence as speech in a <BR>>>political setting. I do not believe that the
constitution gives a person <BR>>>unlimited license to act the fool as
long as what they say (or do) can in <BR>>>some vague way be construed as
a political statement.<BR>>><BR>>>g<BR>>>----- Original
Message -----<BR>>>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2><</FONT><A href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
><BR>>>Cc: <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
><BR>>>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:49 AM<BR>>>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student
tasered<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> > Wrong. I absolutely would
make the identical argument. I'm talking <BR>>>about<BR>>>
> the Constitution, not my own preferences. And isince you missed it,
<BR>>>most of<BR>>> > my condemnation here is for the person I
voted for in the last<BR>election, <BR>>>not<BR>>> >
Bush.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Sunil<BR>>> ><BR>>>
><BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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