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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gary, If you showed up at the AARP event and droned
on for a 90 minute rant, I wouldn't ask the cops to taze you. I would walk
out. Jesus, since when do we taze people for stuff like this? I have
chaired school board meetings where taxpayers talked until 3:00 in the
morning. Finally, everyone went home. We didn't taze them. We
didn't sic the cops on them. What is the matter with this country when
intelligent people like you think that what happened at that political speech
was okay? That that "guy" got what he deserved! You are a really
bitter man. Chuck Kovis</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 22, 2007 4:06
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Kerry
speech/student tasered</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now I'm afraid it's you that is deliberately
misconstruing a point. I am "choosing" to stick to nothing. I most
assuredly did not accuse you of "supporting state action to squelch political
speech." I was attempting to determine where you think the line is to be
drawn. You might note the question marks sprinkled through out my
posts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You apparently believe that the kid who was
tazered had every right to not follow the rules set out at the event Kerry
spoke at. By your standard should he have been allowed to go on for another 15
minutes? An hour? Till the cows came home? What about if instead of a topic
that is near and dear to your heart he had elected to carry on about repealing
the 13th and 14th amendment? That would still fall under the umbrella of
political speech after all. Or does that take the discussion that extra
centimeter and become the dreaded "Hate Speech." Abhorred by all and protected
by none.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Candidates at a debate have rules laid out in
advance stipulating time limits. If they egregiously exceed these limits the
moderator will cut them off and if ness kill their mike. Is this a
constitutional travesty? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How about the AARP event that Ms. Hovey announced
earlier today. If I jump up and commence a 90 minute conservative rant about
the evils of the current Mayor and council, even though the event schedule has
been clearly laid out, will that be just ducky by you? Political speech
at a political event after all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nice try on the "I was six" dodge. I was 10. At
least a dozen years before I started to be aware of anything that didn't
involve girls and debauchery. We've both been to school. You write as though
you may have been paying attention. It's not as though the events
surrounding the 1968 democratic convention in Chicago were an obscure, seldom
mentioned event. The whole Chicago 7 situation revolved around the notion of
violent demonstration as political speech at what was a decidedly
political event. Still diggen' the all's fair speech wise at a political
gathering?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just so there's no mistaking my intent this time
around, the point I am making, and the question I am asking is where do you
draw the line? Oh, and for the record I did not tell or challenge "Andy to
find support for his statement," I told him flat out there was none to be
had. Subtle difference I know and, I suspect, you know as well. It just
wouldn't have made your case quite as well to have been accurate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:16
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student
tasered</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Then Gary, you are choosing to stick to a belief that I have never
<BR>> supported. The only thing you are proving is that you don't
know squat <BR>> about me or my beliefs. Your position is the written
version of covering <BR>> your ears and shouting "La la la," but have at
it, it's still a free <BR>> country. For now.<BR>> <BR>> You
just told Andy to find support for his statement about you in your last
<BR>> hundred or so posts. I challenge you to find me supporting
state action to <BR>> squelch political speech in my posts. Good luck
and pack a lunch. You have <BR>> nothing but your wish to pin a
belief to me, one that I don't hold. You <BR>> want people to support
what they say about you, but you don't hold yourself <BR>> to the same
standard when it comes to others.<BR>> <BR>> I am talking here about a
person who was engaged in political speech. It <BR>> was not
accompanied by violence. This doesn't have to be construed as <BR>>
political speech in 'some vague way .'<BR>> <BR>> The Yippees in Chicago
in '68? I was 6, Gary, I must have missed the <BR>> footage while I
was riding my bike, so I'm not talking about them. Not <BR>>
interested in bait-and-switch.<BR>> <BR>> Sunil<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>>>From: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>CC: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student
tasered<BR>>>Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:56:42
-0700<BR>>><BR>>>I understand perfectly well that you're unhappy
with Theresa's boy<BR>>>and I'm skeptical about your assertion. Would
you have extended your <BR>>>argument to the Yippies in Chicago in '68?
Violence as speech in a <BR>>>political setting. I do not believe that
the constitution gives a person <BR>>>unlimited license to act the fool
as long as what they say (or do) can in <BR>>>some vague way be
construed as a political statement.<BR>>><BR>>>g<BR>>>-----
Original Message -----<BR>>>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:49
AM<BR>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student
tasered<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> > Wrong. I absolutely
would make the identical argument. I'm talking
<BR>>>about<BR>>> > the Constitution, not my own
preferences. And isince you missed it, <BR>>>most of<BR>>>
> my condemnation here is for the person I voted for in the last election,
<BR>>>not<BR>>> > Bush.<BR>>> ><BR>>> >
Sunil<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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