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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not sure what that has to do with anything but
I imagine very few. That is unless they're smacked by one that's
driving.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>P.S. I meant Chief Weaver in the preceding post.
Sorry about the temporary demotion, Dan.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:50
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] discrimination and zoning
(was say what?)</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> How many of them die walking to their apartments or to another
party?<BR>> <BR>> Sunil<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>From: "g. crabtree"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <BR>>><</FONT><A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com>,<vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com>,<vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] discrimination and
zoning (was say what?)<BR>>>Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:08:30
-0700<BR>>><BR>>>"Collage kids drinking beer" have a proven track
record of getting into <BR>>>cars or hopping onto motorcycles and killing
themselves and others. I don't <BR>>>think that you need a particularly
keen memory to be able to dredge up <BR>>>several instances of this
recently being the case. When Captain Weaver <BR>>>assigns a higher
priority to preventing deaths then handing out tickets I <BR>>>really
don't think that he's being particularly capricious or arbitrary. I
<BR>>>think he's displaying good
judgment.<BR>>><BR>>>g<BR>>>----- Original Message ----- From:
"Sunil Ramalingam" <BR>>><</FONT><A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 3:22
PM<BR>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] discrimination and zoning (was say
what?)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>>I don't know Tom, there always
seem to be plenty of officers at the<BR>>>>beginning of fall semester
to investigate college kids drinking
beer.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Sunil<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>>From:
Tom Ivie <</FONT><A href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>the_ivies3@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>To: Moscow Vision 2020 <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] discrimination and
zoning (was say what?)<BR>>>>>Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:02:03 -0700
(PDT)<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Another argument for adding to our
police force.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>bill bonte <</FONT><A
href="mailto:bbonte@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>bbonte@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>> wrote: Evidently
it's much easier to pass<BR>>>>>laws, ordinances and zoning codes
than it is to enforce them. We need<BR>>>>>strict enforcement
of existing laws, ordinances and codes. How
about<BR>>>>>enforcing speed limits. The chief
of<BR>>>>>police has informed me that officers have more important
things to do <BR>>>>>than<BR>>>>>enforce traffic
laws. Maybe this<BR>>>>>is true of noise and parking
ordinances
also.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Newer
developments have CC&Rs, another unenforceable set of codes
written<BR>>>>>to assure prospective buyers their property values
are safe, but in
<BR>>>>>reality<BR>>>>>useless.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>If
Moscow had strict enforcement of zoning codes, the Verizon
building<BR>>>>>would never have been sold to
NSA<BR>>>>>in the first
place.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Bill
Bont<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>On Sep 20, 2007,
at 2:46 PM, keely emerinemix
wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Noise IS covered under an
ordinance; other forms of illegal behavior<BR>>>>>under
others. And the number of people, whether contemplative monks
or<BR>>>>>hard-partying college boys, also is covered under
ordinance. Has been <BR>>>>>for<BR>>>>>at least 15
years. That's because -- and it really IS this simple --
<BR>>>>>renting to non-family members constitutes running a
business, one that <BR>>>>>the<BR>>>>>City has long
decided is unlawful in areas zoned not for business, but
<BR>>>>>for<BR>>>>>single-family
homes.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Period.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Rocket
science need not be employed here, but I would invite doubters
to<BR>>>>>remember the preschool lessons of "obey rules" and "break
rules" if <BR>>>>>they're<BR>>>>>further
confused.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>keely<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:38:43 -0700<BR>>>>> > From:
</FONT><A href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>lfalen@turbonet.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>>> > To: </FONT><A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>;
</FONT><A href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>the_ivies3@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>;<BR>>>>>vision2020@moscow.com<BR>>>>> >
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Discrimination<BR>>>>>
><BR>>>>> > It seems to me that controlling the number people
that live in a house<BR>>>>>is a round about way of getting at the
"stated problem"<BR>>>>> > If noise is the problem regulate that.
If parking is a problem <BR>>>>>regulate<BR>>>>>that.
The only problem I see with the number of people living in one
<BR>>>>>house<BR>>>>>would be a potential safety
problem.<BR>>>>> > Roger<BR>>>>> > -----Original
message-----<BR>>>>> > From: Donovan Arnold </FONT><A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>>> > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:57:07
-0700<BR>>>>> > To: Tom Ivie </FONT><A
href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>the_ivies3@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>, Moscow Vision
2020<BR>>>>>vision2020@moscow.com<BR>>>>> > Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Discrimination<BR>>>>>
><BR>>>>> > > Tom Ivie,<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > Lowering the number of occupants
per housing unit by law increases<BR>>>>>demand for more apartments
and housing units, driving the cost up. With<BR>>>>>rents up even
more, renters are further soaked again by limiting the
<BR>>>>>number<BR>>>>>of people they can split rent
with.<BR>>>>> > ><BR>>>>> > >
Moscow is a college town. Students cannot afford much more that >
<BR>>>>> > $300<BR>>>>>piece for rent. IF Moscow
raises its rents, the number of students<BR>>>>>returning to UI will
reduce because they cannot afford to live in the
<BR>>>>>city<BR>>>>>with no jobs and unaffordable
housing. Many of them will elect elsewhere
<BR>>>>>to<BR>>>>>attend like BSU, Albertson, NNU, ISU,
LCSC or the new junior college in<BR>>>>>Nampa. But this is a good
move for the socialists agenda of destroying
<BR>>>>>the<BR>>>>>Moscow economy through relentless
unneeded government regulation.<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > Best,<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > Donovan<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > Tom Ivie <</FONT><A
href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>the_ivies3@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>>>>> > > Doesn't it include a CUP
process? As I understand it, and I could<BR>>>>>be wrong,
lowering the number brings Moscow more in-line with the
<BR>>>>>codified<BR>>>>>number that the majority of
cities our size use.<BR>>>>> > ><BR>>>>> > >
Donovan Arnold <</FONT><A href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> wrote: "These
<BR>>>>>three<BR>>>>>people [(Pall, Ament and Lamar)]
feel that counting unrelated people in a<BR>>>>> > > dwelling
will solve noise and parking problems in residential<BR>>>>> >
> neighborhoods."<BR>>>>> > ><BR>>>>> >
> Mr. Busch is correct on this point. I think counting the number
of<BR>>>>>unrelated people is discriminatory. When I worked at
Inclusion North <BR>>>>>there<BR>>>>>were often several
people with disabilities living in one home because
<BR>>>>>they<BR>>>>>cannot afford their own place on a
$660 a month SSI check, especially in
<BR>>>>>a<BR>>>>>city like Moscow. There are many poor,
disabled, and elderly people that<BR>>>>>MUST live together in one
dwelling for economic survival. This code is a<BR>>>>>raw deal for
those that are in need of affordable housing. Another
<BR>>>>>example<BR>>>>>of elitist socialists trying to
make everyone live like them regardless
<BR>>>>>of<BR>>>>>their financial situations. The City
Council members are saying, "Let <BR>>>>>them<BR>>>>>eat
cake", or in this case, let them live in an apartment with only
two<BR>>>>>people if they can only afford to live in an apartment
with four others.<BR>>>>> > ><BR>>>>> >
> And on the other side of the coin, a family of two adults with
two<BR>>>>>teenagers can be very noisy and make life for their
neighbors <BR>>>>>intolerable.<BR>>>>>Why not limit how
many teenagers can live in one household, or how many<BR>>>>>babies
a single mom can have? It would be just as unfair.<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > An unjust law, clearly invented
by people living in nice homes
<BR>>>>>with<BR>>>>>secure incomes. I hope the newly
elected city council will reverse this<BR>>>>>piece of
discrimination.<BR>>>>> > ><BR>>>>> >
> If Moscow would allow for the building of affordable housing
for<BR>>>>>what people actually earn in Moscow we would not have 5
students or 5<BR>>>>>people on SSI living in one housing unit. And
BTW, Moscow has more people<BR>>>>>per housing unit then any other
city in the state according the BLS.<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > Best,<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > Donovan<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > ><BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > Tom Hansen <</FONT><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>>>>> > > In a letter to the editor of
the Lewiston Tribune, published today<BR>>>>> > > (September
16, 2007), Steve Busch suggests that "enforcing
existing<BR>>>>>law<BR>>>>> > > [Moscow Zoning
Code] is all that is necessary."<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > >
-----------------------------------------------------------<BR>>>>>
> ><BR>>>>> > > Comments made in a letter to the editor
authored by local attorney<BR>>>>>Jack<BR>>>>> > >
Porter and published in the Sept. 12 Lewiston Tribune cannot
be<BR>>>>>ignored. On<BR>>>>> > > Sept. 4, the
current city council voted 3-2 to change Moscow's city<BR>>>>>code
in<BR>>>>> > > an attempt to deal with a real
problem.<BR>>>>> > ><BR>>>>> > >
Unfortunately, the majority (Pall, Ament and Lamar) threw the baby >
<BR>>>>> > out<BR>>>>>with<BR>>>>> >
> the bath water. These three people feel that counting unrelated > >
<BR>>>>>people<BR>>>>>in a<BR>>>>> > >
dwelling will solve noise and parking problems in
residential<BR>>>>>neighborhoods.<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > ><BR>>>>> > > The Greater
Moscow Alliance feel enforcing existing law is all that <BR>>>>>
> > is<BR>>>>> > > necessary. We said so in a letter
presented to the council on Sept. <BR>>>>> > >
10<BR>>>>>(to<BR>>>>> > > see a copy visit
</FONT><A href="http://www.greatermoscow.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>www.greatermoscow.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>). Mr. Porter
thinks this is<BR>>>>>evidence<BR>>>>> > > the GMA
is insensitive to Moscow citizens' cherished life
style.<BR>>>>>Nothing<BR>>>>> > > could be further
from the truth. GMA is working hard to educate
the<BR>>>>>public<BR>>>>> > > about issues and
candidates.<BR>>>>> > ><BR>>>>> > > I urge
all Moscow voters to ask candidates for city council
tough<BR>>>>>questions.<BR>>>>> > > Listen
carefully to the answers and vote your conscience.<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > Steve Busch<BR>>>>> > >
President<BR>>>>> > > Greater Moscow
Alliance<BR>>>>> > > Moscow<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > >
-----------------------------------------------------------<BR>>>>>
> ><BR>>>>> > > Questions, Mr. Busch: How often, and how
selective, should > >
<BR>>>>>enforcement<BR>>>>>of<BR>>>>> >
> zoning codes be enforced? Instead of amending the current code
ad<BR>>>>>nauseam<BR>>>>> > > and allowing for
conditional use permits every time somebody
<BR>>>>>violates<BR>>>>> > > "existing law",
should we draw the proverbial line in the sand,
much<BR>>>>>like<BR>>>>> > > the Raven, strongly
proclaim "Ne'er more", and further demand
that<BR>>>>>those<BR>>>>> > > entities that are
currently in violation of the zoning code
move<BR>>>>>elsewhere?<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > Reminder, folks!<BR>>>>> >
> </FONT><A href="http://tinyurl.com/36ghxk"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://tinyurl.com/36ghxk</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>>> > ><BR>>>>> > > Seeya round
town, Moscow.<BR>>>>> > ><BR>>>>> > > Tom
Hansen<BR>>>>> > > Moscow, Idaho<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000
college students. The<BR>>>>>college<BR>>>>> > >
students are not very active in local elections (thank
goodness!)."<BR>>>>> > ><BR>>>>> > > - Dale
Courtney (March 28, 2007)<BR>>>>> > ><BR>>>>> >
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