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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In which of my posts did I say "he got what he
deserved?" The event organizers asked the cops to remove the miscreant. When he
refused their orders and became combative he broke the law and the authorities
did what they thought they had to. Had he complied with their requests none of
this would be news. I really don't understand why you seem to need to find face
to put on this other than those that were there. No conservative's engineered
this little debacle, it's all you folks. If that's bitter, I guess I can live
with it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ckovis@turbonet.com href="mailto:ckovis@turbonet.com">Chuck Kovis</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 22, 2007 7:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Kerry
speech/student tasered</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gary, If you showed up at the AARP event and
droned on for a 90 minute rant, I wouldn't ask the cops to taze you. I
would walk out. Jesus, since when do we taze people for stuff like
this? I have chaired school board meetings where taxpayers talked until
3:00 in the morning. Finally, everyone went home. We didn't taze
them. We didn't sic the cops on them. What is the matter with this
country when intelligent people like you think that what happened at that
political speech was okay? That that "guy" got what he deserved!
You are a really bitter man. Chuck Kovis</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 22, 2007 4:06
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Kerry
speech/student tasered</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now I'm afraid it's you that is deliberately
misconstruing a point. I am "choosing" to stick to nothing. I most
assuredly did not accuse you of "supporting state action to squelch
political speech." I was attempting to determine where you think the line is
to be drawn. You might note the question marks sprinkled through out my
posts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You apparently believe that the kid who was
tazered had every right to not follow the rules set out at the event Kerry
spoke at. By your standard should he have been allowed to go on for another
15 minutes? An hour? Till the cows came home? What about if instead of a
topic that is near and dear to your heart he had elected to carry on about
repealing the 13th and 14th amendment? That would still fall under the
umbrella of political speech after all. Or does that take the discussion
that extra centimeter and become the dreaded "Hate Speech." Abhorred by all
and protected by none.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Candidates at a debate have rules laid out in
advance stipulating time limits. If they egregiously exceed these limits the
moderator will cut them off and if ness kill their mike. Is this a
constitutional travesty? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How about the AARP event that Ms. Hovey
announced earlier today. If I jump up and commence a 90 minute conservative
rant about the evils of the current Mayor and council, even though the event
schedule has been clearly laid out, will that be just ducky by you?
Political speech at a political event after all.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nice try on the "I was six" dodge. I was 10. At
least a dozen years before I started to be aware of anything that didn't
involve girls and debauchery. We've both been to school. You write as though
you may have been paying attention. It's not as though the events
surrounding the 1968 democratic convention in Chicago were an obscure,
seldom mentioned event. The whole Chicago 7 situation revolved around the
notion of violent demonstration as political speech at what was a
decidedly political event. Still diggen' the all's fair speech wise at a
political gathering?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just so there's no mistaking my intent this
time around, the point I am making, and the question I am asking is where do
you draw the line? Oh, and for the record I did not tell or challenge "Andy
to find support for his statement," I told him flat out there was none
to be had. Subtle difference I know and, I suspect, you know as well.
It just wouldn't have made your case quite as well to have been
accurate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:16
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student
tasered</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Then Gary, you are choosing to stick to a belief that I have
never <BR>> supported. The only thing you are proving is that you
don't know squat <BR>> about me or my beliefs. Your position is the
written version of covering <BR>> your ears and shouting "La la la," but
have at it, it's still a free <BR>> country. For now.<BR>>
<BR>> You just told Andy to find support for his statement about you in
your last <BR>> hundred or so posts. I challenge you to find me
supporting state action to <BR>> squelch political speech in my
posts. Good luck and pack a lunch. You have <BR>> nothing but
your wish to pin a belief to me, one that I don't hold. You <BR>>
want people to support what they say about you, but you don't hold yourself
<BR>> to the same standard when it comes to others.<BR>> <BR>> I am
talking here about a person who was engaged in political speech. It
<BR>> was not accompanied by violence. This doesn't have to be
construed as <BR>> political speech in 'some vague way .'<BR>>
<BR>> The Yippees in Chicago in '68? I was 6, Gary, I must have
missed the <BR>> footage while I was riding my bike, so I'm not talking
about them. Not <BR>> interested in bait-and-switch.<BR>>
<BR>> Sunil<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>From: "g. crabtree"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>CC: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student
tasered<BR>>>Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:56:42
-0700<BR>>><BR>>>I understand perfectly well that you're unhappy
with Theresa's boy<BR>>>and I'm skeptical about your assertion. Would
you have extended your <BR>>>argument to the Yippies in Chicago in
'68? Violence as speech in a <BR>>>political setting. I do not believe
that the constitution gives a person <BR>>>unlimited license to act
the fool as long as what they say (or do) can in <BR>>>some vague way
be construed as a political
statement.<BR>>><BR>>>g<BR>>>----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:49
AM<BR>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student
tasered<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> > Wrong. I absolutely
would make the identical argument. I'm talking
<BR>>>about<BR>>> > the Constitution, not my own
preferences. And isince you missed it, <BR>>>most of<BR>>>
> my condemnation here is for the person I voted for in the last
election, <BR>>>not<BR>>> > Bush.<BR>>>
><BR>>> > Sunil<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>
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