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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The bottom line to all this is:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>An ordinance is only as strong as those
that enforce it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We either enforce the city code or we toss
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>Seeya round town, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>.<br>
<br>
Tom Hansen<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place><br>
<br>
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."<br>
<br>
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</span></font><font color=navy><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>keely emerinemix<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 20, 2007
2:46 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">lfalen</st1:PersonName>;
Donovan Arnold; Tom Ivie; MoscowVision 2020<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Vision2020]
discrimination and zoning (was say what?)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Noise IS covered under an
ordinance; other forms of illegal behavior under others. And the number
of people, whether contemplative monks or hard-partying college boys, also is
covered under ordinance. Has been for at least 15 years. That's
because -- and it really IS this simple -- renting to non-family members
constitutes running a business, one that the City has long decided is unlawful
in areas zoned not for business, but for single-family homes. <br>
<br>
Period.<br>
<br>
Rocket science need not be employed here, but I would invite doubters to
remember the preschool lessons of "obey rules" and "break
rules" if they're further confused.<br>
<br>
keely<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:38:43 -0700<br>
> From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">lfalen</st1:PersonName>@turbonet.com<br>
> To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com; the_ivies3@yahoo.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Discrimination<br>
> <br>
> It seems to me that controlling the number people that live in a house is
a round about way of getting at the "stated problem"<br>
> If noise is the problem regulate that. If parking is a problem regulate
that. The only problem I see with the number of people living in one house
would be a potential safety problem.<br>
> Roger<br>
> -----Original message-----<br>
> From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:57:07 -0700<br>
> To: Tom Ivie the_ivies3@yahoo.com, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Moscow Vision
2020</st1:PersonName> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Discrimination<br>
> <br>
> > Tom Ivie,<br>
> > <br>
> > Lowering the number of occupants per housing unit by law increases
demand for more apartments and housing units, driving the cost up. With rents
up even more, renters are further soaked again by limiting the number of people
they can split rent with. <br>
> > <br>
> > <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>
is a college town. Students cannot afford much more that $300 piece for rent.
IF <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>
raises its rents, the number of students returning to UI will reduce because
they cannot afford to live in the city with no jobs and unaffordable housing.
Many of them will elect elsewhere to attend like BSU, Albertson, NNU, ISU, LCSC
or the new junior college in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Nampa</st1:place></st1:City>.
But this is a good move for the socialists agenda of destroying the <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City> economy through
relentless unneeded government regulation. <br>
> > <br>
> > Best,<br>
> > <br>
> > Donovan<br>
> > <br>
> > Tom Ivie <the_ivies3@yahoo.com> wrote:<br>
> > Doesn't it include a CUP process? As I understand it, and I could be
wrong, lowering the number brings <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>
more in-line with the codified number that the majority of cities our size use.
<br>
> > <br>
> > Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com> wrote:
"These three people [(Pall, Ament and Lamar)] feel that counting unrelated
people in a<br>
> > dwelling will solve noise and parking problems in residential<br>
> > neighborhoods."<br>
> > <br>
> > Mr. Busch is correct on this point. I think counting the number of
unrelated people is discriminatory. When I worked at Inclusion North there were
often several people with disabilities living in one home because they cannot
afford their own place on a $660 a month SSI check, especially in a city like <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>. There are many
poor, disabled, and elderly people that MUST live together in one dwelling for
economic survival. This code is a raw deal for those that are in need of
affordable housing. Another example of elitist socialists trying to make
everyone live like them regardless of their financial situations. The City
Council members are saying, "Let them eat cake", or in this case, let
them live in an apartment with only two people if they can only afford to live
in an apartment with four others. <br>
> > <br>
> > And on the other side of the coin, a family of two adults with two
teenagers can be very noisy and make life for their neighbors intolerable. Why
not limit how many teenagers can live in one household, or how many babies a
single mom can have? It would be just as unfair. <br>
> > <br>
> > An unjust law, clearly invented by people living in nice homes with
secure incomes. I hope the newly elected city council will reverse this piece
of discrimination. <br>
> > <br>
> > If Moscow would allow for the building of affordable housing for what
people actually earn in Moscow we would not have 5 students or 5 people on SSI
living in one housing unit. And BTW, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>
has more people per housing unit then any other city in the state according the
BLS. <br>
> > <br>
> > Best,<br>
> > <br>
> > Donovan<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> wrote:<br>
> > In a letter to the editor of the Lewiston Tribune, published today<br>
> > (September 16, 2007), Steve Busch suggests that "enforcing
existing law<br>
> > [Moscow Zoning Code] is all that is necessary."<br>
> > <br>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------<br>
> > <br>
> > Comments made in a letter to the editor authored by local attorney
Jack<br>
> > Porter and published in the Sept. 12 Lewiston Tribune cannot be
ignored. On<br>
> > Sept. 4, the current city council voted 3-2 to change <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>'s city code in<br>
> > an attempt to deal with a real problem. <br>
> > <br>
> > Unfortunately, the majority (Pall, Ament and Lamar) threw the baby
out with<br>
> > the bath water. These three people feel that counting unrelated
people in a<br>
> > dwelling will solve noise and parking problems in residential
neighborhoods.<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > The Greater Moscow Alliance feel enforcing existing law is all that
is<br>
> > necessary. We said so in a letter presented to the council on Sept.
10 (to<br>
> > see a copy visit www.greatermoscow.org). Mr. Porter thinks this is
evidence<br>
> > the GMA is insensitive to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>
citizens' cherished life style. Nothing<br>
> > could be further from the truth. GMA is working hard to educate the
public<br>
> > about issues and candidates. <br>
> > <br>
> > I urge all <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>
voters to ask candidates for city council tough questions.<br>
> > Listen carefully to the answers and vote your conscience.<br>
> > <br>
> > Steve Busch<br>
> > President<br>
> > Greater <st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Alliance</st1:place></st1:City><br>
> > <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City><br>
> > <br>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------<br>
> > <br>
> > Questions, Mr. Busch: How often, and how selective, should
enforcement of<br>
> > zoning codes be enforced? Instead of amending the current code ad
nauseam<br>
> > and allowing for conditional use permits every time somebody violates<br>
> > "existing law", should we draw the proverbial line in the
sand, much like<br>
> > the Raven, strongly proclaim "Ne'er more", and further
demand that those<br>
> > entities that are currently in violation of the zoning code move
elsewhere?<br>
> > <br>
> > Reminder, folks!<br>
> > http://tinyurl.com/36ghxk<br>
> > <br>
> > Seeya round town, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>.<br>
> > <br>
> > Tom Hansen<br>
> > <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place><br>
> > <br>
> > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The
college<br>
> > students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."<br>
> > <br>
> > - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
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