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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Twenty or so years ago this wouldn't have been any
kind of a story. Once this kid had worn out his welcome, whoever was running the
show would have given the nod (it is my understanding that the officers did not
act on their own initiative) to a pair of security people the size of sequoias
who would have wrapped mitts the size of smoked hams around this silly
rascals pipe cleaner biceps and frog marched him out the door in the
twinkling of an eye. Resistance, as they say, would have been
futile. The miscreant would have been left to sputter and fume
ineffectually in front of the venue and soon, realizing that he was having no
impact what so ever would have been force to hang his head and shuffle on
home, likely to change into a dry pair of trousers.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In today's "anyone can be anything no matter how
ill suited they are" world, security consisted of a pair of diminutive lil'
things that likely have a difficult time managing an unruly hair-do and thus we
have our "news story." The kid is probably lucky tazers were available or
he would likely be nursing injuries far worse than the indignity that befell
him. That or he'd still be running around the auditorium until some real cops
arrived. Either way, Kerry would have continued to drone on irrelevantly in the
background. Heck, has anyone checked? He might well still be there.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Pat Kraut" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>pkraut@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "vision2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:49
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student
tasered</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> On this kids web site he has other occasions when he has 'diturbed
the<BR>> peace' and asked for all he got. His mic had been turned off by
someone who<BR>> thought he had gone on long enough so it wasn't just the
cops who thought he<BR>> had pushed his limits. Its just one more example of
the current generation<BR>> pushing the boundries and grownups being unable
or unwilling to draw a line<BR>> in manners and behavior.<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Paul Rumelhart"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>godshatter@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>> To:
"Sunil Ramalingam" <</FONT><A href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> Cc: <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:28 PM<BR>> Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I don't
know what to think about this. I'm usually one to jump on the<BR>>
authorities in cases like this, but now after watching the video on<BR>>
youtube (for some reason the video link in the story didn't work for<BR>>
me), I'm unsure.<BR>> <BR>> I think the police, which I assume were campus
security, were a little<BR>> quick to try to remove him from the microphone
and from the room. I<BR>> think that much of what he did at the end was
theatrics. I'm sorry, but<BR>> when the police are moving you
physically from the room (rightly or<BR>> wrongly), you don't resist, you
don't keep acting less and less calm,<BR>> and you don't stupidly keep
telling them "not to tazer me, man". You<BR>> comply, and you fight it
in court. When they have you on the ground and<BR>> you won't give them
an arm for the handcuffs they have only a limited<BR>> number of
options. Physical force which can result in a dislocated<BR>> shoulder,
bruises, etc, or the tazer.<BR>> <BR>> Kerry did say that he would answer
the question, and that they needn't<BR>> do what they were doing. He
mumbles, yes, but I did hear him say that.<BR>> It's not like he answered the
question by waving at the cops to take him<BR>> away.<BR>> <BR>> I've
also read elsewhere that the person involved (I forget his name)<BR>> was
well-known for these kinds of things. He likes to show up in
public<BR>> places and disrupt things. I suppose the campus cops would
think of him<BR>> as an "agitator". Many of the other students
apparently think of him as<BR>> a kook.<BR>> <BR>> I am convinced that
if he simply allowed them to remove him he wouldn't<BR>> have been
tazered. They waited until he was on the ground and still<BR>>
thrashing around and acting up and warned him that they would use the<BR>>
tazer several times. I think the police should review their rules
for<BR>> removing people from microphones at public events, but after they
made<BR>> the decision to remove him they didn't appear to me to use force
until<BR>> they had to.<BR>> <BR>> That's not to say that the "tazer
problem" (i.e. using it in situations<BR>> when it shouldn't be used because
it is non-lethal) isn't a real<BR>> problem. I just don't feel much
sympathy for this guy. He got his<BR>> point out there. Call it a
win and sit back down, or let the cops lead<BR>> you out of the room with
something of your dignity left intact.<BR>> <BR>> Paul<BR>> <BR>>
Sunil Ramalingam wrote:<BR>>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts09192007.html"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts09192007.html</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>>><BR>>> Above is the address of an article about
a speech yesterday by John Kerry.<BR>>> A student gets up and asks a
question (quoting from a book I've mentioned<BR>>> here) and ends up
getting grabbed by police officers and tasered in front<BR>> of<BR>>>
the crowd while Kerry drones on. It's truly bizarre; the video link
at<BR>> the<BR>>> end of the article shows it all
happening.<BR>>><BR>>> Sunil<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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