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Yeah! Just like those grownups in the Bush administration and the GOP congress . . . <br><br>keely<br><br><br><br>> From: pkraut@moscow.com<br>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:49:41 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered<br>> <br>> On this kids web site he has other occasions when he has 'diturbed the<br>> peace' and asked for all he got. His mic had been turned off by someone who<br>> thought he had gone on long enough so it wasn't just the cops who thought he<br>> had pushed his limits. Its just one more example of the current generation<br>> pushing the boundries and grownups being unable or unwilling to draw a line<br>> in manners and behavior.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter@yahoo.com><br>> To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com><br>> Cc: <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:28 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered<br>> <br>> <br>> I don't know what to think about this. I'm usually one to jump on the<br>> authorities in cases like this, but now after watching the video on<br>> youtube (for some reason the video link in the story didn't work for<br>> me), I'm unsure.<br>> <br>> I think the police, which I assume were campus security, were a little<br>> quick to try to remove him from the microphone and from the room. I<br>> think that much of what he did at the end was theatrics. I'm sorry, but<br>> when the police are moving you physically from the room (rightly or<br>> wrongly), you don't resist, you don't keep acting less and less calm,<br>> and you don't stupidly keep telling them "not to tazer me, man". You<br>> comply, and you fight it in court. When they have you on the ground and<br>> you won't give them an arm for the handcuffs they have only a limited<br>> number of options. Physical force which can result in a dislocated<br>> shoulder, bruises, etc, or the tazer.<br>> <br>> Kerry did say that he would answer the question, and that they needn't<br>> do what they were doing. He mumbles, yes, but I did hear him say that.<br>> It's not like he answered the question by waving at the cops to take him<br>> away.<br>> <br>> I've also read elsewhere that the person involved (I forget his name)<br>> was well-known for these kinds of things. He likes to show up in public<br>> places and disrupt things. I suppose the campus cops would think of him<br>> as an "agitator". Many of the other students apparently think of him as<br>> a kook.<br>> <br>> I am convinced that if he simply allowed them to remove him he wouldn't<br>> have been tazered. They waited until he was on the ground and still<br>> thrashing around and acting up and warned him that they would use the<br>> tazer several times. I think the police should review their rules for<br>> removing people from microphones at public events, but after they made<br>> the decision to remove him they didn't appear to me to use force until<br>> they had to.<br>> <br>> That's not to say that the "tazer problem" (i.e. using it in situations<br>> when it shouldn't be used because it is non-lethal) isn't a real<br>> problem. I just don't feel much sympathy for this guy. He got his<br>> point out there. Call it a win and sit back down, or let the cops lead<br>> you out of the room with something of your dignity left intact.<br>> <br>> Paul<br>> <br>> Sunil Ramalingam wrote:<br>> > http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts09192007.html<br>> ><br>> > Above is the address of an article about a speech yesterday by John Kerry.<br>> > A student gets up and asks a question (quoting from a book I've mentioned<br>> > here) and ends up getting grabbed by police officers and tasered in front<br>> of<br>> > the crowd while Kerry drones on. It's truly bizarre; the video link at<br>> the<br>> > end of the article shows it all happening.<br>> ><br>> > Sunil<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > =======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > =======================================================<br>> ><br>> ><br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> No virus found in this incoming message.<br>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.<br>> Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/07<br>> 1:29 PM<br>> <br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br><br /><hr />More photos; more messages; more whatever – Get MORE with Windows Live™ Hotmail®. 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