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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mr. Arnold,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please run for city council. Please?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Warren Hayman</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jeanlivingston@turbonet.com
href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">jeanlivingston</A> ; <A
title=the_ivies3@yahoo.com href="mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com">Tom Ivie</A> ;
<A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:34
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
Discrimination</DIV>
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<DIV>Bruce,</DIV>
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<DIV>Let me see if I understand you correctly?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>MCA wants to force poor, disabled, and elderly people through a CUP
process with the city council for the right to continue to live the way
they do?</DIV>
<DIV>MCA wants to prevent building new houses</DIV>
<DIV>MCA wants to prevent the expansion of industry and jobs</DIV>
<DIV>MCA wants to eliminate property rights for security and
predictability</DIV>
<DIV>MCA wants to force low income people to pay higher rent prices</DIV>
<DIV>MCA wants to make Moscow less affordable</DIV>
<DIV>MCA wants to reduce the city population</DIV>
<DIV>MCA wants to present four more candidates to the city council
candidates</DIV>
<DIV>MCA wants to increase taxes</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Where am I wrong here?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>jeanlivingston
<jeanlivingston@turbonet.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>The answer to your question, Tom, is "yes, it does." If
someone has more than the allowed number of unrelated people living together
under the ordinance that was passed Monday night, that household can
seek a C.U.P. to obtain approval for the extra renters.</DIV>
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<DIV>And I would suggest to the alleged protecters of "property rights" who
opposed this ordinance, the Greater Moscow Alliance among them, that the
ordinance does exactly that, by protecting the property rights of the
<EM>neighbors</EM> to these "boarding houses" in low density
residential neighborhoods that were not experiencing the low density uses to
which they were entitled under the code -- due to commercial, high density,
apartment/boarding house-style uses that were foisted on the neighborhood by
those bringing in numerous renters. </DIV>
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<DIV>There is a pattern developing in the issues to which the GMA takes an
interest: the defense of property rights for a fe! w, often at
the expense of the property rights of the many, and all too frequently at
the expense of our quality of life. The property rights
advocates at the GMA that opposed this ordinance also failed to oppose
both Proposition 2 and the Naylor Farms conditional use permit
application last fall, while they opposed any regulation of big
box stores in the large retail store ordinance (which imposed reasonable
regulations on parking lot size, screening and lanscaping, sign
size, and other similar regulations on big boxes). The GMA
property rights zealots fail to recognize that we passed a zoning code
in this town that reasonably and constitutionally regulates property
rights in part to prevent neighbors from ruining the value and enjoyment of
adjoining parcels through unfettered infringing uses that spill over onto
the property of others. </DIV>
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<DIV>The zoning code gives all of us the benefit of predictability; in
enacting the zoning code we surrendered the! ability to use property in a
particular zoning category for certain uses that are not allowed, in
return for the security of knowing that our neighbors could not use their
adjoining property in the same zone for those same disallowed uses.
When people push the limits of reason, straining credulity in asserting that
the code does not distinguish low density, single-family
residences from a commercial boarding house with a single
family <EM>plus</EM> numbers of additional renters,
restoration/clarification of the zoning code's intent and purpose was
entirely appropriate. By passing a definition of a family that
addresses the number of unrelated people who may live in a single family
residence without obtaining a conditional use permit, sanity returned
to our neighborhoods and the quality of life in those neighborhoods was
preserved and enhanced. </DIV>
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<DIV>I commend the four votes for the ordinance, Pall, Ament, Lamar and
Craine. Hopefully, in time both Weber and! Lambert will
reconsider their opposition to the ordinance.</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In the meantime, without regard to the effects on our community's water
supply or the adjoining neighbor's property, the GMA failed to oppose
the operation of (a) the Naylor's proposed strip mine and (b)
a crowded boarding house with many additional people or cars in a low
density residential neighborhood, while the GMA did oppose (c) an
ordinance that sought to regulate garish 24-hour big
boxes with inadequate screening and landscaping. Defending the
"property rights" for the few, without regard to related,
associated trampling on the property rights of others, is not the sort
of "protection" of private property rights that this town needs.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bruce Livingston</DIV>
<DIV><BR>-----Original message-----<BR>From: Tom Ivie
the_ivies3@yahoo.com<BR>Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:41:57 -0700<BR>To: Moscow
Vision 2020 vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
Discrimination<BR><BR>> My original question wasn't answered, if anyone
wants to field it. "Doesn't this include a CUP process?<BR>> <BR>>
Donovan Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM />wrote: Tom Ivie,<BR>>
<BR>> Lowering the number of occupants per housing unit by law increases
demand for more apartments and housing units, driving the cost up. With
rents up even more, renters are further soaked again by limiting the number
of people they can split rent with. <BR>> <BR>> Moscow is a college
town. Students cannot afford much more that $300 piece for rent. IF Moscow
raises its rents, the number of students returning to UI will reduce because
they cannot afford to live in the city with no jobs and unaffordable
housing. Many of them will elect elsewhere to attend like BSU, Albertson,
NNU, ISU, LCSC or the new junior college in Nampa. But this is a good move
for the socialists agenda of destroying the Moscow economy through
relentless un! needed government regulation. <BR>> <BR>> Best,<BR>>
<BR>> Donovan<BR>> <BR>> Tom Ivie <THE_IVIES3@YAHOO.COM
/>wrote:<BR>> Doesn't it include a CUP process? As I understand it, and I
could be wrong, lowering the number brings Moscow more in-line with the
codified number that the majority of cities our size use. <BR>> <BR>>
Donovan Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM />wrote: "These three people
[(Pall, Ament and Lamar)] feel that counting unrelated people in a<BR>>
dwelling will solve noise and parking problems in residential<BR>>
neighborhoods."<BR>> <BR>> Mr. Busch is correct on this point. I think
counting the number of unrelated people is discriminatory. When I worked at
Inclusion North there were often several people with disabilities living in
one home because they cannot afford their own place on a $660 a month SSI
check, especially in a city like Moscow. There are many poor, disabled, and
elderly pe! ople that MUST live together in one dwelling for economic
survival. This code is a raw deal for those that are in need of affordable
housing. Another example of elitist socialists trying to make everyone live
like them regardless of their financial situations. The City Council members
are saying, "Let them eat cake", or in this case, let them live in an
apartment with only two people if they can only afford to live in an
apartment with four others. <BR>> <BR>> And on the other side of the
coin, a family of two adults with two teenagers can be very noisy and make
life for their neighbors intolerable. Why not limit how many teenagers can
live in one household, or how many babies a single mom can have? It would be
just as unfair. <BR>> <BR>> An unjust law, clearly invented by people
living in nice homes with secure incomes. I hope the newly elected city
council will reverse this piece of discrimination. <BR>> <BR>> If
Moscow would allow for the bui! lding of affordable housing for what people
actually earn in Moscow we would not have 5 students or 5 people on SSI
living in one housing unit. And BTW, Moscow has more people per housing unit
then any other city in the state according the BLS. <BR>> <BR>>
Best,<BR>> <BR>> Donovan<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Tom Hansen
<THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM />wrote:<BR>> In a letter to the editor of the
Lewiston Tribune, published today<BR>> (September 16, 2007), Steve Busch
suggests that "enforcing existing law<BR>> [Moscow Zoning Code] is all
that is necessary."<BR>> <BR>>
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Comments made in a letter to the editor authored by local attorney
Jack<BR>> Porter and published in the Sept. 12 Lewiston Tribune cannot be
ignored. On<BR>> Sept. 4, the current city council voted 3-2 to change
Moscow's city code in<BR>> an attempt to deal with a real! problem.
<BR>> <BR>> Unfortunately, the majority (Pall, Ament and Lamar) threw
the baby out with<BR>> the bath water. These three people feel that
counting unrelated people in a<BR>> dwelling will solve noise and parking
problems in residential neighborhoods.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> The Greater
Moscow Alliance feel enforcing existing law is all that is<BR>>
necessary. We said so in a letter presented to the council on Sept. 10
(to<BR>> see a copy visit www.greatermoscow.org). Mr. Porter thinks this
is evidence<BR>> the GMA is insensitive to Moscow citizens' cherished
life style. Nothing<BR>> could be further from the truth. GMA is working
hard to educate the public<BR>> about issues and candidates. <BR>>
<BR>> I urge all Moscow voters to ask candidates for city council tough
questions.<BR>> Listen carefully to the answers and vote your
conscience.<BR>> <BR>> Steve Busch<BR>> President<BR>> Greater!
Moscow Alliance<BR>> Moscow<BR>> <BR>>
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Questions, Mr. Busch: How often, and how selective, should enforcement
of<BR>> zoning codes be enforced? Instead of amending the current code ad
nauseam<BR>> and allowing for conditional use permits every time somebody
violates<BR>> "existing law", should we draw the proverbial line in the
sand, much like<BR>> the Raven, strongly proclaim "Ne'er more", and
further demand that those<BR>> entities that are currently in violation
of the zoning code move elsewhere?<BR>> <BR>> Reminder, folks!<BR>>
http://tinyurl.com/36ghxk<BR>> <BR>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>>
<BR>> Tom Hansen<BR>> Moscow, Idaho<BR>> <BR>> "We're a town of
about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college<BR>> students are
not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."<BR>> <BR>> -
Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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