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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yep. It's the Republican spin. We don't care, he
did good for Idaho Republicuns, even if he is a "nasty homosexual in disguise
who we didn't know anything about, even though we have called him Larry the
Prairie Fairy for umpteen years". And since he hasn't "actually" resigned (sort
of like "actually" not pleading guilty---in spite of signing off on several
pages that a twelve year old could accurately interpret) we all need to support
him. After all, he has done so much to move Idaho from a state with massive
amonts of "Forest Lands" to a state with massive amount of "lands up for grabs
to the highest bidder". Yep, Larry's my hero.....Lye, Cheet, and Steil is also
my flippin' law firm.....Idaho may be too dumb to survive....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Debi R-S</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pkraut@moscow.com
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">Pat Kraut</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>so craig should resign over pretty much a
non issue but lying to the country and getting our military personnel killed
is ok?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Andy Boyd<BR>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=pkraut@moscow.com href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">Pat Kraut</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What a colossal waste of time, money and
energy...it is not going to happen and there is no reason why it should. We
have some real issues to work on and this is not one of them but it sure
helps me know more about who to vote for this election. </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=starbliss@gmail.com href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">Ted
Moffett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=joekc@adelphia.net
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
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href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
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1:49 AM</DIV>
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<DIV>Joe et. al.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for your kind response.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Read article below about a politician in Washington really trying to
hold those at the highest levels of government accountable for extreme
abuses of power. This article lists offences Cheney committed that
make Craig's misconduct pale in comparison. These offences are
documented. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Why has Kucinich's impeachment articles against Cheney received such
scant attention? Many people I have talked to, even among those who
would agree with Kucinich's effort, don't even know about
this! Kucinich explains in this article his well considered
reasons for impeaching Cheney first, not Bush. If Cheny/Bush get
away with their deceit of the American people regarding the Iraq WMD lies,
then the full force of Larry Craig's words that you quoted apply: </DIV>
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<DIV>If our citizens conclude that lawlessness in the highest office is
acceptable, that their elected representatives are complicit in that
corruption then the nation is at risk."<BR><BR>Craig on impeaching Bill
Clinton, Feb. 12, 1999, Congressional Record. </DIV>
<DIV>------------<BR><A
href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/24/AR2007042401542.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/24/AR2007042401542.html</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=5>Kucinich Introduces Impeachment Articles Against
Cheney<BR></FONT></STRONG>
<P><FONT size=-1>CQ Transcripts Wire<BR>Tuesday, April 24, 2007; 6:09
PM<BR></FONT>
<P>
<P>REP. DENNIS J. KUCINICH, D-OHIO: Thank you very much for being
here.</P>
<P>We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created
equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable
rights; that, among these, are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness;
that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men,
deriving their just powers from the consent of the government; and,
whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
the right of the people to alter or to abolish it. </P>
<P>These words from the Declaration of Independence are instructive at
this moment. Because not only whenever any form of government, but
whenever any government official becomes destructive of the founding
purposes, that official or those officials must be held accountable. </P>
<P>Because I believe the vice president's conduct of office has been
destructive to the founding purposes of our nation. Today, I have
introduced House Resolution 333, Articles of Impeachment Relating to Vice
President Richard B. Cheney. I do so in defense of the rights of the
American people to have a government that is honest and peaceful. </P>
<P>It became obvious to me that this vice president, who was a driving
force for taking the United States into a war against Iraq under false
pretenses, is once again rattling the sabers of war against Iran with the
same intent to drive America into another war, again based on false
pretenses. </P>
<P>Let me cite from the articles of impeachment that were introduced this
afternoon, Article I, that Richard Cheney had purposely manipulated the
intelligence process to deceive the citizens and the Congress of the
United States by fabricating a threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction
to justify the use of the United States armed forces against the nation of
Iraq in a manner damaging to our national security. </P>
<P>That despite all evidence to the contrary, the vice president actively
and systematically sought to deceive the citizens and the Congress of the
United States about an alleged threat of Iraqi weapons of mass
destruction. </P>
<P>That preceding the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, the vice president was
fully informed that no legitimate evidence existed of weapons of mass
destruction in Iraq. The vice president pressured the intelligence
community to change their findings to enable the deception of the citizens
and the Congress of the United States. </P>
<P>That in this the vice president subverted the national security
interests of the United States by setting the stage for the loss of more
than 3,300 United States service members and the loss of 650,000 Iraqi
citizens since the United States invasion; the loss of approximately $500
billion in war costs, which has increased our federal debt; the loss of
military readiness within the United States armed services, through an
overextension and lack of training and lack of equipment; and the loss of
United States credibility in the world affairs and decades of likely
blowback created by the invasion of Iraq. </P>
<P>That with respect to Article II, that Richard Cheney manipulated the
intelligence process to deceive the citizens and the Congress of the
United States about an alleged relationship between Iraq and Al Qaida in
order to justify the use of United States armed forces against the nation
of Iraq in a manner damaging to our national security. </P>
<P>And that, despite all evidence to the contrary, the vice president
actively and systematically sought to deceive the citizens and Congress of
the United States about an alleged relationship between Iraq and Al
Qaida.</P>
<P>That preceding to the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, the vice president
was fully informed that no credible evidence existed of a working
relationship between Iraq and Al Qaida, a fact articulated in several
official documents. </P>
<P>With respect to Article III, that in his conduct while vice president
of the United States, Richard Cheney openly threatened aggression against
the Republic of Iran, absent any real threat to the United States, and has
done so with the United States's proven capability to carry out such
threats, thus undermining the national security interests of the United
States. </P>
<P>That despite no evidence that Iran has the intention or the capability
of attacking the United States, and despite the turmoil created by the
United States's invasion of Iraq, the vice president has openly threatened
aggression against Iran. </P>
<P>Furthermore, I point out in the articles that Article VI of the United
States Constitution states, and I quote, "This Constitution and the laws
of the United States shall be made in pursuance thereof and all treaties
made or which shall be made under the authority of the United States shall
be the supreme law of the land. Any provision of an international treaty
ratified by the United States becomes the law of the United States." </P>
<P>The United States is signatory to the U.N. Charter, a treaty among the
nations of the world. Article II, Section 4 of the United Nations Charter
states, and I quote, "All members shall refrain in their international
relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial
integrity or political independence of any state, or in any manner
inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations." </P>
<P>The articles conclude by pointing out that the vice president's
deception upon the citizens and the Congress of the United States that
enabled the failed United States invasion of Iraq forcibly altered the
rules of diplomacy so that the vice president recent belligerent actions
toward Iran are destabilizing and counterproductive to the national
security of the United States of America. </P>
<P>These articles of impeachment are not brought forth lightly. I've
carefully weighed the options available to members of Congress and found
this path the path that is the most important to take.</P>
<P>The justifications used to lead our nation to war have unquestionably
been disproved. Brave soldiers and innocent civilians have lost their
lives in a war the United States should never have initiated. The weight
of the lies used to lead us into war has grown heavier with each death.
Now is the time for Congress to examine the actions that led us into this
war, just as we must work to bring the troops home. This resolution is a
very serious matter, and I will urge the Committee on Judiciary to
investigate and carefully consider this resolution. </P>
<P>At this time, I'm happy to take any of your questions.</P>
<P>QUESTION: Congressman, at this point do you have any other -- any
fellow members support this?</P>
<P>KUCINICH: At this very moment, the resolution is being transmitted to
members of Congress. Because this resolution is so weighty in its import,
it's going to be important for members of Congress to have sufficient time
to study the articles. This is unlike any other type of legislation or
resolution. This is not something that you can ask anyone to make a snap
judgment on. It took me a while to come to this point. And I would expect
that members of Congress, given the opportunity to review these articles,
will be able to come to a conclusion consistent with their own concerns
and the concerns of their constituents. </P>
<P>QUESTION: But at this point, you stand alone, at this point?</P>
<P>KUCINICH: At this point, I believe that I stand with millions of
Americans who have expressed concern through their state legislatures,
through petitions to Congress, through contact with their members of
Congress, that something has to be done to reclaim our country's goodness,
to reclaim a government which the American people want to be honest, want
to be just. </P>
<P>And so I do not stand alone. I have multitudes of people backing
this.</P>
<P>QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) Chairman Conyers to look at this?</P>
<P>KUCINICH: I will discuss this with Chairman Conyers, now that this has
been introduced, and I will ask for his consideration. And I will
communicate this to all members of the House and ask them to give it the
kind of thoughtful consideration that it deserves. </P>
<P>KUCINICH: I might point out that -- that when you read the annotations
here, you will see that everything that has been said in these articles
has been carefully documented. In fact, I would imagine that some of you
have even reported some of the statements, although perhaps the statements
have not been challenged in this way until now. </P>
<P>QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)</P>
<P>KUCINICH: The question relates to why I'm bringing the articles of
impeachment against Mr. Cheney, and not Mr. Bush. Is that it?</P>
<P>QUESTION: Why solely Mr. Cheney?</P>
<P>KUCINICH: Well, there's a practical reason here. And the practical
reason is -- first of all, I want to say that each and every charge
against Mr. Cheney relates to his conduct or misconduct in office.</P>
<P>Now, with respect to the president. I think that it's very important
that we start with Mr. Cheney. Because if we were to start with the
president and pursue articles of impeachment, Mr. Cheney would then become
president. </P>
<P>It's significant and responsible to start in this way, because if the
same charges would relate to the president as relate to the vice
president, you would then have to go through the constitutional agony of
impeaching two presidents consecutively. </P>
<P>QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)</P>
<P>KUCINICH: Well, actually -- I'll wait until that truck goes by
here.</P>
<P>Let me tell you the difference. The difference today is that this vice
president is actively encouraging aggression against Iran. It is urgent
that Congress take steps to check the abuse of power. And that's what this
impeachment resolution will do. </P>
<P>KUCINICH: There is no comparison whatsoever -- in any way, shape or
manner -- between these articles of impeachment and the articles of
impeachment which were presented to the House of Representatives in
1999.</P>
<P>In fact, these articles of impeachment are deeply researched, will
stand up in a discussion in the House and in the Senate. And I believe
that they are -- that they're imperative to bring forth right now because
the threat of war against Iran is very real. </P>
<P>And this vice president cannot be permitted to continue to violate both
the U.S. Constitution and the U.N. Charter. </P>
<P>QUESTION: Congressman, you're running for president. Are you hoping to
get the others (OFF-MIKE)?</P>
<P>KUCINICH: Each person has to -- each person will have to make his or
her own decision.</P>
<P>This goes beyond partisan terms. This is being done to defend our
constitutional system of government. This is being done so that all those
of us who took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States can
understand that this impeachment is one valid way in furtherance of the
defense of our Constitution. </P>
<P>I don't see this as being distant from anyone, in any capacity in our
government. Everyone must reflect on this.</P>
<P>Years from now, people will ask, "Why didn't the United States
government respond when they saw this threat to our democracy? Why didn't
people inside the government respond?" if this doesn't move forward. </P>
<P>And so this really isn't so much, I might add, about the vice president
as it is about who we are as a people. What is it that we stand for? What
kind of government do the people of the United States expect and deserve?
</P>
<P>KUCINICH: It's not appropriate for the government to lie to people. It
is wrong for government officials -- you know, the vice president, in this
case -- to take this nation into war based on lies.</P>
<P>And so, again, this becomes a question of who we are as a people. And
so this resolution 333, articles of impeachment against the vice
president, will let future generations know that no one is above the law
of this country and that Congresses have the specific responsibility to
provide a check to administrative abuse of power. That's the way the
framers set this government up. </P>
<P>QUESTION: Congressman, Speaker Pelosi has said on more than one
occasion she's not interested in impeachment.</P>
<P>Have you had conversations with her on this, or some exchange, in your
mind...</P>
<P>KUCINICH: No, I have not discussed this with Speaker Pelosi.</P>
<P>I want to stress that this is not a partisan action at all. I have not
confided in anyone in the leadership of my party, because I take this
action beyond partisanship, beyond party, as an obligation and commitment
to my nation and my loyalty to America and my willingness to say, "Stop
the lies. Stop the lying. Stop the dying that's occurring in Iraq over
lies." </P>
<P>It's imperative that America stand for the truth. It said in the Bible,
"You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." Well, let
then these articles of impeachment help set our nation free from the lies
that have enveloped our governmental process, the lies that are trapping
us still in a war in Iraq, the lies that could take us into a war against
Iran. </P>
<P>This is about the truth.</P>
<P>QUESTION: Congressman, it's been said by some pundits that you're just
introducing these articles to gain publicity for your presidential
campaign.</P>
<P>What do you make of those allegations? And do you think this is going
to help you out in your race for the presidency?</P>
<P>KUCINICH: These articles are about the conduct of the vice president of
the United States, that he deceived the people of the United States to
take this country into a war, that he continues to exhibit a pattern of
conduct that could take this country into another war based on false
pretenses. That's what this is about. </P>
<P>KUCINICH: And I believe that the people of this country are demanding
that someone stand up and anyone has been free to do this. Anyone in the
House of Representatives could take similar action if they so choose, or
could take action against the vice president or the president. </P>
<P>QUESTION: Pelosi says it's not going anywhere. </P>
<P>(CROSSTALK)</P>
<P>KUCINICH: Have you talked to her today?</P>
<P>QUESTION: Yes, I did.</P>
<P>KUCINICH: Then I would say I have not talked to her. And as much as I
admire the speaker, as much as I voted to support her, I feel that it's my
obligation as a member of Congress to introduce these articles of
impeachment. And I believe the American people will be the final arbiters
as to whether or not these articles should go forward. </P>
<P>QUESTION: Just to follow up, when you say the vice president led us
into war, wouldn't that be President Bush? Isn't Cheney working for Bush?
(inaudible)</P>
<P>KUCINICH: Well, let's go into Article I. "Mr. Cheney: 'We know they
have biological and chemical weapons.'" Said this in a press conference on
March 17th, 2002. "We know they're pursuing nuclear weapons." He said this
in a press briefing on March 19th, 2002. "He is pursuing, activity
pursuing nuclear weapons at this time." He said this on "CNN Late
Edition," March 24th. "We know he's got chemical and biological, and we
know he's working on nuclear." </P>
<P>"Meet the Press," May 19th: "But we know Saddam has resumed his efforts
to acquire nuclear weapons." "There is no doubt he's amassing them against
our friends, against our allies and against us." August 26th, 2002. </P>
<P>On and on and on. "He has in fact activity and aggressively seeking to
acquire nuclear weapons." September 8th, 2002, "Meet the Press." </P>
<P>"He has in fact reconstituted nuclear weapons." March 16th, "Meet the
Press."</P>
<P>This vice president was a driving force in trying to create the
circumstances to justify the United States's attack against Iran. And he
not only deceived the people of the United States, and the Congress of the
United States, he deceived the American media. </P>
<P>KUCINICH: And so these articles are tightly focused on the conduct of
the vice president. And to the extent that they may reflect in some way on
the conduct of the president of the United States, is another matter for
another day. </P>
<P>QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)</P>
<P>KUCINICH: I think the record is very clear, that this vice president
used his conduct of office to promote a war and Article I and Article II
are very clear that he conducted himself in such a way as to use the power
of his office to promote that war. </P>
<P>And so this relates to the vice president. And I think I answered the
question earlier about why the vice president and not the president.</P>
<P>Anyone else? I want to thank you very much for being here.</P>
<P>QUESTION: Do you have anyone you would identify as a replacement? If
Vice President Cheney were impeached, it would have to be voted on the
House and the Senate for confirmation.</P>
<P>KUCINICH: That would be up to President Bush.</P>
<P>Thank you.</P>
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<DIV>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<BR><BR> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 9/4/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Joe
Campbell</B> <<A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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Ted,<BR><BR>I agree with what you say below and I realize now that I
should have<BR>indicated this in my post to Roger, and in other posts.
<BR><BR>I don't think that anything that Craig did, or attempted to do
was, especially egregious. I<BR>don't think that he should have
resigned. I don't think that he should be vilified. I have<BR>pity for
him and the way his career ended. <BR><BR>As some have noted, nearly all
of the condemnations and calls for resignation came from<BR>radical
conservatives, though others are stuck with the blame. All I wanted was
for him to<BR>be honest with himself and others, and not to pass
discriminatory laws against people that <BR>he doesn't mind have sex
with.<BR><BR>And I agree that there are more important things to worry
about than Craig.<BR><BR>Best, Joe<BR><BR>---- Ted Moffett <<A
href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com </A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>=============<BR>Joe et. al.<BR><BR>While this quote from
Craig is laudable, and should be applied from the top<BR>to the bottom
for all those in public service, Craig's misconduct in this<BR>case is
minor, in my opinion, though there does appear to be a degree of
<BR>hypocrisy in the way Craig "lied" to the police officer who
witnessed<BR>his "misconduct," assuming the officer was not fabricating
details. I<BR>won't expound further, in part because the
Craig scandal is a distraction <BR>from far, far more serious offences
and wrongdoing in government, that are<BR>going unpunished and mostly
unexplored in mainstream media.<BR><BR>If Craig being forced to resign
is justified for his misconduct, we could <BR>make a list of taxpayer
supported public servants involved in the Iraq war<BR>and the
prosecution of the war on terror, guilty of far, far more
grievous<BR>offences, who deserve far more attention and exposure in the
media than the <BR>Craig case received, and who certainly should be
removed from office.<BR><BR>When are impeachment proceedings going to
start against Bush?<BR><BR>Yeah, I know, Nanci Pelosi when assuming
speaker of the house said<BR>impeachment is "off the
table." This is incredible! Of course the
<BR>Republican die hard supporters in the US Congress would never
let<BR>impeachment go anywhere. But they should at least
try. At least Kucinich<BR>has went public with his attempts
to impeach Cheney<BR><BR>Ted Moffett <BR><BR>On 9/3/07, Joe Campbell
<<A href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> Courtesy of Michael Jennings from the Daily News
Letters to the Editor<BR>> page, Aug. 29:<BR>> <BR>> "It
follows that the most serious breach of duty in public office -
the<BR>> most<BR>> serious threat to the order of society itself -
is for the enforcers of<BR>> the law to<BR>> break the law. If our
citizens conclude that lawlessness in the highest <BR>> office
is<BR>> acceptable, that their elected representatives are complicit
in that<BR>> corruption<BR>> then the nation is at
risk."<BR>><BR>> Craig on impeaching Bill Clinton, Feb. 12, 1999,
Congressional Record. <BR>><BR>> Apologies if this has already
been posted but it is worth repeating<BR>> anyway.<BR>><BR>>
--<BR>> Joe Campbell<BR>><BR>>
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