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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Donovan:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Paragraph One: Good Point</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Paragraph Two: Don't be so sure. We now
have a gay legislator--people do change their views with time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Paragraph Three: Not being a man, I can't
speak to that, but I do remember something Woody Allen said which sort of speaks
to it: "Being bisexual immediately doubles ones chances for a date on
Saturday night."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=sdredge@yahoo.com
href="mailto:sdredge@yahoo.com">Scott Dredge</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:28
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Craig's
official statement</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>It sounds to me like Larry Craig is screwed either way. If he was honest
about his sexual desires for other men he would never have been allowed to
serve in public office in Idaho. On the other hand, when he tries to down play
his personal behavior, that results in him being called a hypocrite
and may end his career. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>People in Idaho will not elect a homosexual for US Senate. I don't even
think an openly homosexual man could get elected to the Moscow City
Council, much less by the entire state of Idaho. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I also believe it is possible for men to have sexual relations with other
men from time to time and still not believe that homosexuality is a
morally acceptable behavior, or that it is on par with a relationship
with a woman in marriage. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Scott Dredge <sdredge@yahoo.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Even
if he wasn't innocent, I think he could have beaten the rap. Ben Stiller was
caught in a much more embarrassing situation at a rest stop in the movie
"There's something about Mary" and he claimed that he was just taking a
leak, which in fact, exactly what his intentions were. Now the all the other
gentlemen who were clearly engaging in lewd conduct also claimed the same
defense, but I think Stiller's character still managed to skate free. Then
again, he was riding with some mass murderer so that may have had something
to do with the lewd conduct charges being dropped because the police now had
a bigger fish to fry.<BR><BR>In any event, on to your question about
hypocrisy. The answer is yes. If you are representing some 'stick up the
rear end' fundamentally conservative constituency that would be aghast if
you had a foot fetish or liked to be spanked or something else, you would
need to be very discreet such that they and members of your church would not
find out. And if something happened where you were caught, you would need to
first deny, deny, deny, and then when that doesn't work you would need to
come up with some plausible explanation such as "Well I may have engaged in
inappropriate conduct, but I can promise you all that I didn't enjoy it in
the least". And then maybe the whole situation would blow over. Hypocrisy,
yes. but it's kind of a forced hypocrisy isn't
it?<BR><BR>-Scott<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Paul Rumelhart
<GODSHATTER@YAHOO.COM><BR>To: Scott Dredge <SDREDGE@YAHOO.COM><BR>Cc:
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:45:55
PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Craig's official statement<BR><BR>Hey, I
don't have anything to prove here. I was just stating that, <BR>based upon
what I had heard at the time, it sounded possible that he <BR>might have
been innocent of the charges despite what he said in court. <BR>Not that he
*was* innocent, not that I wanted him to be innocent, not <BR>that I even
give a flying fsck whether he was innocent or not. That was <BR>based upon a
story that detailed the crimes of touching another mans <BR>foot in the
stall next to you and reaching under the partition.<BR><BR>What a truly
horrific thing for me to say. I should be ashamed of myself.<BR><BR>At the
time, I hadn't read the NY Times article that Tom posted. The <BR>standing
outside the restroom door for two minutes looking through the <BR>crack
thing falls neatly into the category of "odd behavior".<BR><BR>So, ok, maybe
he is a hypocrite. So here is another thought that will <BR>probably get me
reviled as Satan's second cousin or something, but how <BR>do you avoid be
hypocritical on some subjects when you are ostensibly <BR>representing your
constituents? What do you do if you are inwardly <BR>pro-homosexual, but
your constituency isn't? Were you elected to vote <BR>as you wish? Or were
you elected to vote as your constituency wishes? <BR>If he's a hypocrite, he
became one the day he courted the electorate <BR>that differed from his own
personal views.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>Scott Dredge wrote:<BR>> Oh give it
up, Paul and Roger. Are you guys not paying attention? You can find Larry
Craig's hypocrisy just about everywhere. Did you not see his press
conference today? The first sentence out of his mouth was, "Thank you all
very much for 'coming out' today" as if all the reporters and everyone else
in the audience had some closeted secret that had come to light and they
were owning up to it unlike himself. Criminy! If that ain't hypocrisy, I
guess I don't know what hypocrisy is. Of course, maybe I don't know.
Hmmm...let me think about that a bit...<BR>><BR>>
-Scott<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----<BR>> From: lfalen
<LFALEN@TURBONET.COM><BR>> To: Paul Rumelhart <GODSHATTER@YAHOO.COM>; Joe
Campbell <JOEKC@ADELPHIA.NET><BR>> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:55:29 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Craig's official statement<BR>><BR>> My sentiments also. I don't know
where Craig stands on sexuality. Joe. maybe you could let us know were the
hypocrisy is?<BR>> -----Original message-----<BR>> From: Paul
Rumelhart godshatter@yahoo.com<BR>> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:25:26
-0700<BR>> To: Joe Campbell joekc@adelphia.net<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Craig's official statement<BR>><BR>> <BR>>> Sure,
be my guest.<BR>>><BR>>> You're welcome.<BR>>><BR>>>
Is he actively anti-homosexual or something? Despite the fact that he
<BR>>> gave me a nomination to the Air Force Academy in 1984 (which
turned me <BR>>> down) I haven't really followed his career that
much.<BR>>><BR>>> I'm just saying that I'd hate to be in that
situation and not actually <BR>>> be guilty. Tapping your right foot.
Who knew? I might also be tempted <BR>>> to just pay the damn fine and
hope nobody notices, too.<BR>>><BR>>> I do know I plan to keep
both feet solidly on the floor for the duration <BR>>> next time I'm
in an airport restroom.<BR>>><BR>>> Paul<BR>>><BR>>>
Joe Campbell wrote:<BR>>> <BR>>>>
Paul,<BR>>>><BR>>>> You're not really that naive, are you?
How about hypocrisy? Can we accuse him of
that?<BR>>>><BR>>>> --<BR>>>> Joe
Campbell<BR>>>><BR>>>>
--------------------<BR>>>><BR>>>> The article I read in
the Washington Post said that he had tapped the <BR>>>> foot of the
person in the stall next him and reached under the <BR>>>>
partition. Naive to ways of the dance of restroom stall courtship and
<BR>>>> etiquette, I probably would have handed him some toilet
paper blithely <BR>>>> assuming that his dispenser was
empty.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I haven't yet read the articles
linked to earlier - so it's possible it <BR>>>> was more than that.
But given what the Post said, I can't really accuse <BR>>>> him of
much myself.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Paul<BR>>>><BR>>>>
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