<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Gary asks "<font face="Arial" size="2">what rights are being denied homosexuals?"</font><br><br>Here's an example from earlier this year from the self proclaimed fair-and-balanced foxnews web site.<br><br>"Michigan Ruling Bans Benefits for Same-Sex Partners of Government and Public University Employees"<br><br>Full story at:<br><br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250839,00.html">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250839,00.html</a></span><br><br>Gary thinks this makes for a better country and yet he's unable to articulate why other than it's fine to stick it a minority group rather than give them equal benefits that millions of other couples already have.<br><br>-Scott<br><br><div
style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: g. crabtree <jampot@roadrunner.com><br>To: Scott Dredge <sdredge@yahoo.com>; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:25:53 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Craig's official statement<br><br>
<style type="text/css">DIV {
MARGIN:0px;}
</style>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Enacting hate crime legislation to provide special
protection to a small (or large, for that matter) group who feel put upon is bad
law. It is the very antithesis of equal protection. There is a major
difference between denying rights and granting unique rights. Aside from the
marriage issue, which we all know has nothing to do with marriage in the
conventional sense, what rights are being denied homosexuals?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The specific arguments have indeed been clearly
laid out time and again. What has yet to be explained rationally is why
providing special considerations to less than 3% of the U.S. population is good
for the country.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">So, how about it? How exactly will the country
become a better place if yet another group is added to the list of those unable
to make their own way in the world without the help of mommy
government?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" title="sdredge@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sdredge@yahoo.com">Scott Dredge</a>
</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:42
AM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Craig's
official statement</div>
<div><br></div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">I
don't know Gary, is it possible? If someone happens to be in a position
of power and is denying rights for homosexuals and homosexual couples that are
already available for hetoresexuals and heterosexual couples, don't you think
that they should be able clearly explain why they believe same sex marriage /
hate crime / equal rights is bad for the country instead of just saying "I
believe it's bad" without citing any specifics?<br><br>-Scott<br><br>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">-----
Original Message ----<br>From: g. crabtree
<jampot@roadrunner.com><br>To: Paul Rumelhart
<godshatter@yahoo.com>; Scott Dredge <sdredge@yahoo.com><br>Cc:
vision2020@moscow.com<br>Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:25:46
AM<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Craig's official statement<br><br>
<style></style>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Leaving aside the question of Senator Craig's
sexuality, did I miss the legislation that made it mandatory that all
homosexuals march in lockstep with the whole same sex marriage/hate crime/pro
special rights agenda? Is it not possible to be homosexual and sincerely
believe that these things are bad for the country and vote accordingly?
Apparently not, what the heck could I have been thinking...</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">----- Original Message ----- </font>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">From: "Paul Rumelhart" <</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">godshatter@yahoo.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">To: "Scott Dredge" <</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:sdredge@yahoo.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">sdredge@yahoo.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Cc: <</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:45
PM</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Craig's official
statement</font></div></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br><font size="2"></font></font></div><font face="Arial" size="2">> Hey, I don't have anything to prove here. I was just stating
that, <br>> based upon what I had heard at the time, it sounded possible
that he <br>> might have been innocent of the charges despite what he said
in court. <br>> Not that he *was* innocent, not that I wanted him to
be innocent, not <br>> that I even give a flying fsck whether he was
innocent or not. That was <br>> based upon a story that detailed the
crimes of touching another mans <br>> foot in the stall next to you and
reaching under the partition.<br>> <br>> What a truly horrific thing for
me to say. I should be ashamed of myself.<br>> <br>> At the time,
I hadn't read the NY Times article that Tom posted. The <br>>
standing outside the restroom door for two minutes looking through the
<br>> crack thing falls neatly into the category of "odd behavior".<br>>
<br>> So, ok, maybe he is a hypocrite. So here is another thought
that will <br>> probably get me reviled as Satan's second cousin or
something, but how <br>> do you avoid be hypocritical on some subjects when
you are ostensibly <br>> representing your constituents? What do you
do if you are inwardly <br>> pro-homosexual, but your constituency
isn't? Were you elected to vote <br>> as you wish? Or were you
elected to vote as your constituency wishes? <br>> If he's a
hypocrite, he became one the day he courted the electorate <br>> that
differed from his own personal views.<br>> <br>> Paul<br>> <br>>
Scott Dredge wrote:<br>>> Oh give it up, Paul and Roger. Are you
guys not paying attention? You can find Larry Craig's hypocrisy just
about everywhere. Did you not see his press conference today? The
first sentence out of his mouth was, "Thank you all very much for 'coming out'
today" as if all the reporters and everyone else in the audience had some
closeted secret that had come to light and they were owning up to it unlike
himself. Criminy! If that ain't hypocrisy, I guess I don't know what
hypocrisy is. Of course, maybe I don't know. Hmmm...let me think
about that a bit...<br>>><br>>> -Scott<br>>><br>>>
----- Original Message ----<br>>> From: lfalen <</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">lfalen@turbonet.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">><br>>>
To: Paul Rumelhart <</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">godshatter@yahoo.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>; Joe
Campbell <</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><font face="Arial" size="2">joekc@adelphia.net</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">><br>>> Cc: </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:55:29 AM<br>>> Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Craig's official statement<br>>><br>>> My
sentiments also. I don't know where Craig stands on sexuality. Joe. maybe you
could let us know were the hypocrisy is?<br>>> -----Original
message-----<br>>> From: Paul Rumelhart </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">godshatter@yahoo.com</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">>>
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:25:26 -0700<br>>> To: Joe Campbell </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><font face="Arial" size="2">joekc@adelphia.net</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Craig's official
statement<br>>><br>>> <br>>>> Sure, be my
guest.<br>>>><br>>>> You're
welcome.<br>>>><br>>>> Is he actively anti-homosexual or
something? Despite the fact that he <br>>>> gave me a
nomination to the Air Force Academy in 1984 (which turned me <br>>>>
down) I haven't really followed his career that
much.<br>>>><br>>>> I'm just saying that I'd hate to be in
that situation and not actually <br>>>> be guilty. Tapping your
right foot. Who knew? I might also be tempted <br>>>> to
just pay the damn fine and hope nobody notices,
too.<br>>>><br>>>> I do know I plan to keep both feet
solidly on the floor for the duration <br>>>> next time I'm in an
airport restroom.<br>>>><br>>>>
Paul<br>>>><br>>>> Joe Campbell
wrote:<br>>>> <br>>>>>
Paul,<br>>>>><br>>>>> You're not really that naive,
are you? How about hypocrisy? Can we accuse him of
that?<br>>>>><br>>>>> --<br>>>>> Joe
Campbell<br>>>>><br>>>>>
--------------------<br>>>>><br>>>>> The article I
read in the Washington Post said that he had tapped the <br>>>>>
foot of the person in the stall next him and reached under the
<br>>>>> partition. Naive to ways of the dance of restroom stall
courtship and <br>>>>> etiquette, I probably would have handed him
some toilet paper blithely <br>>>>> assuming that his dispenser
was empty.<br>>>>><br>>>>> I haven't yet read the
articles linked to earlier - so it's possible it <br>>>>> was more
than that. But given what the Post said, I can't really accuse
<br>>>>> him of much
myself.<br>>>>><br>>>>>
Paul<br>>>>><br>>>>>
=======================================================<br>>>>>
List services made available by First Step Internet,
<br>>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since
1994.
<br>>>>>
</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.fsr.net"><font face="Arial" size="2">http://www.fsr.net</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">
<br>>>>>
</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">>>>>
=======================================================<br>>>>><br>>>>>
<br>>>>> <br>>>>
=======================================================<br>>>>
List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>>>>
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
<br>>>>
</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.fsr.net"><font face="Arial" size="2">http://www.fsr.net</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">
<br>>>>
</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">>>>
=======================================================<br>>>>
<br>>><br>>>
=======================================================<br>>> List
services made available by First Step Internet, <br>>> serving the
communities of the Palouse since 1994.
<br>>>
</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.fsr.net"><font face="Arial" size="2">http://www.fsr.net</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">
<br>>>
</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">>>
=======================================================<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>
=======================================================<br>>> List
services made available by First Step Internet, <br>>> serving the
communities of the Palouse since 1994.
<br>>>
</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.fsr.net"><font face="Arial" size="2">http://www.fsr.net</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">
<br>>>
</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">>>
=======================================================<br>>><br>>>
<br>> <br>>
=======================================================<br>> List
services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the
communities of the Palouse since 1994.
<br>>
</font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.fsr.net"><font face="Arial" size="2">http://www.fsr.net</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">
<br>> </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><br><font face="Arial" size="2">>
=======================================================<br>></font></div><br></div></div>
<p>
</p><SPAN style="width:100%;height:2px;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(212,208,200); border-top:1px solid rgb(128,128,128);background-color:black;overflow:hidden; margin:8px 0px;"></SPAN>
<p></p>=======================================================<br> List
services made available by First Step Internet, <br> serving the
communities of the Palouse since 1994.
<br><span>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a>
</span><br>
mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>=======================================================</blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>