<DIV>Andreas fails to realize that those unalienable rights have always existed, they were just never embodied in a constitution before ours. That was the point. They were not invented by men. If they were, then they are not truths, but just opinions flawed thinking men. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Andreas Schou <ophite@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">On 8/26/07, Donovan Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>> Nick and Sunil ignore the truth and try to make their own:<BR>><BR>> "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,<BR>> that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that<BR>> among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."--Thomas<BR>> Jefferson<BR>><BR>> If one
doesn't believe in God, then one cannot believe in unalienable rights<BR>> of humans. All rights, to those that do not believe in a God, must<BR>> alternatively believe that all rights derived from the minds of men. If<BR>> rights are not given and taken by God, then they are only given and taken by<BR>> men, which gives no man any unalienable rights from his fellow humans.<BR><BR>As Donovan may be surprised to learn, God Himself does not directly<BR>intervene in human politics in order to ensure our rights -- either<BR>that, or He was only recently convinced of the virtues of<BR>republicanism over monarchy. Prior to the United States, there had<BR>never been a real Christian republic*.<BR><BR>Unfortunately, contra our founding fathers, we have to do the dirty<BR>work of ensuring our own rights. Eh. Such is life.<BR><BR>-- ACS<BR><BR>* Periods of oligarchy in the Netherlands, England, and Italy notwithstanding.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> 
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