<DIV>Paul,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ron Paul is an honest guy, and thus will never be President. If wide Internet support and winning debates was the indication of winning the presidency, Howard Dean would be President and Dennis Kucinich would be Vice President today. George W. Bush never won a single Presidential Debate yet he won two terms, and few and far between on the net voice support for his tenure, how do you explain that using your measure of Internet support and debate winning as the path to the White House?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are three things that indicate who the winners are going to be, Money, Media, and Momentum. Only a few candidates have all three;</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hillary Clinton</DIV> <DIV>Barrack Obama</DIV> <DIV>Mitt Romney</DIV> <DIV>Fred Thompson</DIV> <DIV>Mike Huckabee</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Of those, only realistically, two could win from each nomination. Democratic nomination is either
going to Clinton, Obama, or Gore, because if Clinton or Obama don't make it, Gore will jump in and make a go of it. McCain and Rudy are at the top now, but rapidly sinking while Thompson and Romney are rising. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mike Huckabee doesn't believe in evolution, so no way he could be President, sorry, maybe 8 years ago, but not today. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ron Paul, he isn't a serious candidate, but he will probably still be in the race up until the end, like Dennis Kucinich. They are there for reasons other than actually winning the nomination. Jeb Bush will get the nomination before Ron Paul and some of these other no name candidates with little money and recognition. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I like Ron Paul, he is making a valuable contribution to his country, talking about real issues, and forcing the viable candidates to answer questions and making promises about what they would do about situations if elected. I think
it is great you would cast your vote for a noble, intelligent, and honest man who actually cares about the country, but he will not get the nomination, he isn't even a real Republican, he is a Libertarian, and use to run as a Libertarian, only recently did he switch to get more attention and a seat in Congress with some teeth. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I've been led to believe that Ron Paul has a large underground audience <BR>on the net; it would be foolish of the other candidates to discount <BR>him. He is in the curious position of having a very strong, if not the <BR>strongest, popularity on the internet, but never gets higher than 3% on <BR>gallup polls. So, either the
internet is a much smaller beast than it <BR>would first appear, or the various polls are burying their heads in the <BR>sand.<BR><BR>According to Wikipedia, he has won three of the four Republican <BR>presidential debates based on the results of the online polls of the <BR>sponsors that held them. His name as a search term has scored higher <BR>than the other candidates online based on the results of a few traffic <BR>analysis companies. He is viewed the most on YouTube, and has the <BR>largest number of subscriptions.<BR><BR>Although I can't agree with everything he stands for (withdrawing from <BR>the UN and Nato comes to mind), I am solidly behind him based on his <BR>voting record on the issues that this current government has foisted <BR>upon us, such as the Patriot Act and the Iraq War.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR>> Keely writes,<BR>> <BR>> "I believe that Thompson's lymphoma is in remission; if that's true, <BR>> he doesn't 'have
cancer'."<BR>> <BR>> But the truth is;<BR>> <BR>> "Patients with follicular lymphoma are generally not considered cured. <BR>> Instead, they are categorized as in ongoing complete remission. <BR>> Relapses occur steadily over time. *_Relapse rates are estimated to be <BR>> 33%, 66%, and 100% for follicular lymphoma's_* Grades I, II, and III <BR>> respectively." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Hodgkin_lymphoma<BR>> <BR>> Anyone want to nominate a President who has a 33-100% chance of dying <BR>> in office before we take into account any other potential health <BR>> problems? Remember Paul Tsongas, he said he was in remission too, he <BR>> had the same illness, and he died in 1997 from Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, <BR>> which many times doesn't show any symptoms.<BR>> <BR>> Giuliani isn't a Republican, he is Pro-choice, Pro-gay marriage, <BR>> Anti-gun, Pro-taxes, Pro-big government. There is no way the hard <BR>> leaning
right would nominate a Pro-life, Anti-Gun, Pro-big government <BR>> nominee. McCain is also done for his pro- illegal immigration bill and <BR>> finance reforms. McCain would also be over 80 at the end of second <BR>> term in January, 2017.<BR>> <BR>> That only leaves Thompson, with incurable cancer, and Mitt Romney as <BR>> candidates with enough money and recognition for a fighting chance <BR>> against Hillary.<BR>> <BR>> I think Hillary will have a hard time getting a majority vote, but she <BR>> doesn't need it. She only needs to get more electoral votes than her <BR>> Republican opponent, which at this point will be Mitt Romney, former <BR>> Governor of Massachusetts.<BR>> <BR>> The Democratic Nominee, whomever that many be, Richardson, Edwards, <BR>> Obama, or Clinton, already have a five to ten point lead in enough <BR>> states to secure 250 electoral votes. They only need 20 more to win, <BR>> like Florida, or
Ohio. If Bloomberg enters the race, that peels <BR>> another 4-8 points off the popular vote for the Republican nominee in <BR>> many key states.<BR>> <BR>> Even if Hillary fails to achieve a pularity (more votes than the other <BR>> two) of popular votes, which she doesn't need, in the three way <BR>> election, what are Republicans going to say, after all, Bush was <BR>> beaten in the popular vote in the 2000 election and still took the oath.<BR>> <BR>> Hillary is unlikely to lose the Democratic nomination because she <BR>> already has close to 50% of the primary vote. She is also very likely <BR>> to get at least 270 electoral votes in a three way race over any of <BR>> the current candidates for President. The total popular vote doesn't <BR>> matter in the actually election (do the electoral math). If Hillary is <BR>> elected, which I think she will at this point, she is likely to be <BR>> very effective due to her experience
and having a Democratic Senate <BR>> and Congress backing her.<BR>> <BR>> I think the American Population will be very surprised at how <BR>> conservative many of her decisions will be as President. She will not <BR>> immediately withdraw troops. She will not enact anti-gun legislation, <BR>> and she will not grant same-sex marriage. I think she will be very <BR>> much in the center, politically, and very competent in her performance.<BR>> <BR>> Best,<BR>> <BR>> Donovan <BR>> <BR>><BR>><BR>> */lfalen <LFALEN@TURBONET.COM>/* wrote:<BR>><BR>> I agree with you about Hillary, but not about Giuliani. I think<BR>> that Thompson has a chance. Romney could also win, but has some<BR>> problems from my point of view.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Roger<BR>> -----Original message-----<BR>> From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1@msn.com<BR>> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:19:37 -0700<BR>> To: Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com, Tom<BR>> Hansenthansen@moscow.com, "'Bev Bafus'" bevbafus@verizon.net,<BR>> vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] speaking of politics....<BR>><BR>> ><BR>> > I believe that Thompson's lymphoma is in remission; if that's<BR>> true, he doesn't "have cancer."<BR>> ><BR>> > And I think Giuliani might well be the only Republican who can<BR>> defeat the Democrats, particularly if we nominate Hillary. She<BR>> won't win. But Obama, Richardson, or Edwards could. I hope my<BR>> party listens.<BR>> ><BR>> > keely<BR>> ><BR>> > "Patriarchy and its abuses, including the alienation of woman<BR>> and man from each other, resulted from the material demands of<BR>> life outside of the Creator's abundance, a state God never<BR>> intended human beings to experience in the first place ...<BR>> Redemption means turning over the order of things in the fallen<BR>>
world."<BR>> > -- Dr. Carrie Miles<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:48:48 -0700<BR>> > From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> > To: thansen@moscow.com; bevbafus@verizon.net; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] speaking of politics....<BR>> ><BR>> > "By Idaho standards Rudy Giuliani IS a Democrat. He is<BR>> pro-choice, supports same-sex marriage, and actively supports<BR>> public education."--T. Hansen<BR>> > He is also pro-taxes, pro big government, anti-second amendment,<BR>> and has three wives. If this guy gets the Republicans nomination<BR>> the Democrats win before the general election. John McCain is a no<BR>> win either. That only leaves Thompson and Romney, and Thompson has<BR>> cancer. Humm, wonder who the nominee is going to be? Best, Donovan<BR>> > Tom<BR>> > Hansen wrote: By Idaho standards Rudy Giuliani IS a
Democrat. He<BR>> is pro-choice, supports same-sex marriage, and actively supports<BR>> public education. My guess is that New York and California are the<BR>> only states in the union where he could register Republican. Seeya<BR>> round town, Moscow.<BR>> ><BR>> > Tom Hansen<BR>> > Moscow, Idaho<BR>> ><BR>> > "People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous<BR>> monikers in chat-room forums are neither brave nor clever."<BR>> ><BR>> > - Latah County Sheriff Wayne Rausch (August 21, 2007) From:<BR>> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<BR>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] On Behalf Of Bev Bafus<BR>> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:11<BR>> > PM<BR>> > To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > Subject: [Vision2020] speaking of politics.... which we weren't,<BR>> but I just had to share this. My son met and chatted with Rudy<BR>> Giuliani<BR>> > today at the Coeur d'Alene
Resort. My son is a valet there.<BR>> Mayor Giuliani introduced himself to my son, shook hands, and<BR>> chatted for a few minutes. Pretty heady stuff for a<BR>> > twenty-year-old. He was impressed, even though he leans<BR>> Democratic... He didn't get to valet park the huge Escalade,<BR>> though... Secret Service took care of that. Bev Bafus<BR>> =======================================================<BR>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> > http://www.fsr.net<BR>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> ><BR>> > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your<BR>> pocket: mail, news, photos & more.<BR>> > _________________________________________________________________<BR>> > Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger <BR>>
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