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<div>Warren et. al.</div>
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<div>Don't stop. </div>
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<div>I also thought that maybe just ignoring posts from those who are anonymous or faking an identity is the best approach.<br> </div>
<div>Ted Moffett<br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/22/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Warren Hayman</b> <<a href="mailto:whayman@roadrunner.com">whayman@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sorry, Ted. I thought the thread was spun from the Schwaller questions. I'll stop now.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Warren Hayman</font></div></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><b>From:</b> <a title="starbliss@gmail.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank">Ted Moffett</a> </div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="whayman@roadrunner.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:whayman@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">Warren Hayman</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision 2020</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:02 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Baudrillard: The Childishness of Adults</div>
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<div>Warren et. al.</div>
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<div>The post you responded to said nothing about anyone posting under any identity, fabricated or otherwise... That's a different thread...</div>
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<div>Ted Moffett<br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/21/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Warren Hayman</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:whayman@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">whayman@roadrunner.com
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hello All,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Can we simplify all this with a question?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">If Schwaller does not exist and refuses elaboration of identity, then the poster(s) of these missives practice(s) coyness, dishonesty, disingenuity, and jerkdom.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">If Schwaller does exist and refuses elaboration of identity, then he or she practices coyness, dishonesty, disingenuity, and jerkdom.</font></div>
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<div>Why in the world bother with either response or concern to all this?</div>
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<div>Warren Hayman</div>
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<div>If multiple copies of this occur, blame me and Time-Warner!</div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision 2020</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:57 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Baudrillard: The Childishness of Adults</div>
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<div>Pardon my indulgence in posting about a writer/thinker many will find of no interest. But given that all of my "adult" life I have been astonished by the fact that the behavior of adults in positions of power in the world appears to exhibit some of the most dangerous and destructive examples of "childishness," the following quote from Baudrillard, from "Simulacra and Simulations," hit home. Again, this strikes me as brilliant socio-psychoanalysis:
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<div><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.egs.edu/faculty/baudrillard/baudrillard-simulacra-and-simulations.html" target="_blank">http://www.egs.edu/faculty/baudrillard/baudrillard-simulacra-and-simulations.html
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<div>The Disneyland imaginary is neither true nor false: it is a deterrence machine set up in order to rejuvenate in reverse the fiction of the real. Whence the debility, the infantile degeneration of this imaginary. It's meant to be an infantile world, in order to make us believe that the adults are elsewhere, in the "real" world, and to conceal the fact that real childishness is everywhere, particularly among those adults who go there to act the child in order to foster illusions of their real childishness.
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