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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry, Ted. I thought the thread was spun from the
Schwaller questions. I'll stop now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Warren Hayman</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=starbliss@gmail.com href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">Ted Moffett</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=whayman@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:whayman@roadrunner.com">Warren Hayman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:02
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Baudrillard:
The Childishness of Adults</DIV>
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<DIV>Warren et. al.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The post you responded to said nothing about anyone posting under any
identity, fabricated or otherwise... That's a different thread...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ted Moffett<BR><BR> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 8/21/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Warren
Hayman</B> <<A
href="mailto:whayman@roadrunner.com">whayman@roadrunner.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Can we simplify all this with a
question?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If Schwaller does not exist and refuses
elaboration of identity, then the poster(s) of these missives practice(s)
coyness, dishonesty, disingenuity, and jerkdom.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV></SPAN>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=q>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If Schwaller does exist and refuses elaboration
of identity, then he or she practices coyness, dishonesty, disingenuity, and
jerkdom.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Why in the world bother with either response or concern to all
this?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Warren Hayman</DIV>
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<DIV>If multiple copies of this occur, blame me and Time-Warner!</DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=starbliss@gmail.com
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target=_blank>Ted Moffett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank>Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:57
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Baudrillard:
The Childishness of Adults</DIV>
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<DIV>All:</DIV>
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<DIV>Pardon my indulgence in posting about a writer/thinker many will find
of no interest. But given that all of my "adult" life I have been
astonished by the fact that the behavior of adults in positions of power
in the world appears to exhibit some of the most dangerous and destructive
examples of "childishness," the following quote from Baudrillard, from
"Simulacra and Simulations," hit home. Again, this strikes me as
brilliant socio-psychoanalysis: </DIV>
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<DIV><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.egs.edu/faculty/baudrillard/baudrillard-simulacra-and-simulations.html"
target=_blank>http://www.egs.edu/faculty/baudrillard/baudrillard-simulacra-and-simulations.html
</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The Disneyland imaginary is neither true nor false: it is a
deterrence machine set up in order to rejuvenate in reverse the fiction of
the real. Whence the debility, the infantile degeneration of this
imaginary. It's meant to be an infantile world, in order to make us
believe that the adults are elsewhere, in the "real" world, and to conceal
the fact that real childishness is everywhere, particularly among those
adults who go there to act the child in order to foster illusions of their
real childishness. </DIV>
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<P>Ted Moffett</P></DIV></SPAN></DIV><SPAN class=q>
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