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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yes. Ted and Joe may be on to
something.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>However, there remains yet another possibility.
Sigmund Freud may conceivably diagnose the “presence” of this virtual
entity that has become known to us as “Glenn Schwaller” is, simply,
a manifestation of our cumulative desire to reign our preferred supremacy over
another life form (be it virtual in the case of “Glenn Schwaller”)
and that this desire of ours is a subsequent side-effect from living in a
culture lacking in its inalienable rights that it enjoyed prior to the Bush
administration. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>Seeya round town, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>.<br>
<br>
Tom Hansen<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place><br>
<br>
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."<br>
<br>
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ted Moffett<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 21, 2007
2:34 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Joe Campbell<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Who the
heck is Schwaller, any way?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Joe et. al.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This Internet identity perhaps is an example of the fourth age (or
phase) of simulacra, as elucidated in "Simulacra and
Simulations" by Baudrillard:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><a
href="http://www.egs.edu/faculty/baudrillard/baudrillard-simulacra-and-simulations.html">http://www.egs.edu/faculty/baudrillard/baudrillard-simulacra-and-simulations.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>"It bears no relation to any reality whatever: it is its own pure
simulacrum."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>--------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>In quoting Baudrillard, I don't mean to suggest there is not a real
flesh and blood person or persons posting under this
"identity." If I was implying this, then perhaps this
"identity" on Vision2020 might be a kind of Turing test for an
artificial intelligence software program to determine it's success: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/turing-test/">http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/turing-test/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>However, consider the possibility that the pose of this
individual(s) under a false identity (if this indeed is the case), might be a
pretense which allows this individual(s) to enforce the feeling that the
identity they take for real is "real," when in fact their
identity contains simulations which are no more real than those contained
in the pose under a false identity on Vision2020. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Projecting the unreality of an identity is part of what drives
religious prejudice: the denial of the "reality" of other differing
religious (or other) ideologies masks for the individual
the phantastical content of their own religion or ideology. The sense
of the unreal is projected, alienated, yet of course still remains as a causal
factor in the psyche. It becomes critical to undermine or destroy the
unreality in the competing religion or ideology to the extent to which the
individual feels threatened (usually unconsciously) by the unreality contained
in their firmly held religion or ideology. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I view Baudrillard as more of a psychoanalyst of the modern psyche,
than as a technically oriented philosopher, and when he is viewed this way, his
analysis makes more "sense," at least to me. Read what
Baudrillard wrote about prisons and <st1:place w:st="on">Disneyland</st1:place>
in the excerpt below from "Simulacra and Simulations:" <br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>What a gem:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><a
href="http://www.egs.edu/faculty/baudrillard/baudrillard-simulacra-and-simulations.html">http://www.egs.edu/faculty/baudrillard/baudrillard-simulacra-and-simulations.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Disneyland is there to conceal the fact that it is the "real"
country, all of "real" <st1:country-region w:st="on">America</st1:country-region>,
which is <st1:place w:st="on">Disneyland</st1:place> (just as prisons are there
to conceal the fact that it is the social in its entirety, in its banal
omnipresence, which is carceral). Disneyland is presented as imaginary in order
to make us believe that the rest is real, when in fact all of <st1:City w:st="on">Los
Angeles</st1:City> and the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>
surrounding it are no longer real, but of the order of the hyperreal and of
simulation. It is no longer a question of a false representation of reality
(ideology), but of concealing the fact that the real is no longer real, and
thus of saving the reality principle. <br>
-----------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Ted Moffett<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 8/20/07, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Joe
Campbell</span></b> <<a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Has anyone on Vision 2020 ever met Glenn Schwaller? If so, I'd like to
know.<br>
<br>
I'll buy a few beers for the first person who can provide evidence that someone
with this name actually exists and lives in this town. <br>
<br>
And if he doesn't exist, how frickin' strange would that be?<br>
<br>
Joe "The Philosopher" <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Campbell</st1:place></st1:City><br>
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