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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mr. Campbell,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is a big difference between how people ARE
treated and how someone might feel after misinterpreting (or having it
misinterpreted for them) any given message. One you have direct control over and
are completely responsible for the other is left in the hands of the recipient
to do with what they will. If they decide to "feel" bad I'm afraid that there is
little to be done for it. As I have said before, it's my understanding that
Mr. Wilson's congregation is made up of a variety of people including minorities
and homosexuals. (a recent interview in the LMT on seminary student Chris Morris
leaps immediately to mind) </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There's an old saying that periodically makes the
rounds that states "actions speak louder than words." I think that this
particularly applies when the words have been manipulated by others to stir up
the maximum level of foment. On the other hand the actions that I have been
able to see with my own two eyes lead me to believe that the community in
question is ultimately benign. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you want to make an effective case against this
group, stop reinterpreting fellow detractors reinterpretations of books,
articles and news stories and point to solid evidence of the horrors that you
claim are occurring on a daily basis. I'm guessing that while you and yours are
long on rhetoric your short on specifics. Till you can turn that equation around
I'm afraid that it's you that is "irrelevant."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Joe Campbell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: "Andreas Schou" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>ophite@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "Warren Hayman"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:whayman@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>whayman@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:33 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival
protest</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Gary,<BR><BR>For the most part, your points below are irrelevant. My
concern for Wilson is not with <BR>how he treats the women in his family. My
concern is not even about how he'd treat me, <BR>or how Doug Farris would treat
me, were I to join either for dinner. I feel pretty confident <BR>that they'll
treat me just fine -- white, Christian male that I am.<BR><BR>My concern is
about how my Jewish friends might be treated. My concern is how my <BR>Muslim,
lesbian, and atheist friends ARE being treated, given Wilson’s threatening and
<BR>divisive speech. I worry about the feelings of my Christian,
African-American friends, <BR>given Wilson’s justification of slavery.<BR><BR>I
noticed that you haven't said anything about this view:<BR><BR>All
non-Christians hate God,<BR><BR>which was apparently endorsed by some of your
Kirk friends. I imagine that it will take <BR>awhile to piece together a
justification for this, or even to explain how it is that folks can <BR>say
something so stupid yet complain when they get criticism back in
response.<BR><BR>--<BR>Joe Campbell<BR><BR>---- "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>> wrote:
<BR><BR>=============<BR>Other works by this author causes me to firmly doubt
that he is likely to <BR>refer to his mother, sister, wife, daughters, daughters
in law or grand <BR>daughters as "chattel." Prove me wrong.<BR><BR>g<BR>-----
Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Andreas Schou" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>ophite@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>To: "g.
crabtree" <</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>Cc:
"Warren Hayman" <</FONT><A href="mailto:whayman@adelphia.net"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>whayman@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "Joe
<BR>Campbell" <</FONT><A href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>Sent:
Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:56 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival
protest<BR><BR><BR>>> I recommend _Her Hand in<BR>>> Marriage_
or _Reforming Marriage_, in which Doug discusses how a woman<BR>>> is to
pass as chattel between her father and her future
husband.<BR>>><BR>>> Quite simply it does not.<BR>><BR>> And
how, Gary, did you come to be aware of this, given that you have<BR>> read
neither book?<BR>><BR>> -- ACS<BR>>
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