Yes Dr Joe, it is just you. My name is not Doug, never has been
Doug, never will be Doug. In fact in a previous post you even
stated you were quite sure I was not a Doug. But no matter.<br>
<br>
And, for the record, I don't believe I did misquote you. I think
it was obvious to everyone else I was stating that anyone can for any
reason stage a protest against anybody or anything, but to be aware of
the boundaries of free speech - no threatening remarks for
example. Being insulting or shouting people down is just
bad manners, and most people I would hope would realize that and
abstain.<br>
<br>
Admittedly, free speech boundaries are murky territory, but I was
simply agreeing with, and encouraging others to follow, your admonition
on unfettered rights:<br>
"In
short, no one has the right to harm another. For this reason, there is
no such thing as an 'unfettered' right.'" <br>
Now granted I may have taken
some license, but it was hardly a misquote or out of context. I
never attributed your comments to the protest or the Fest, but since
you brought it up, don't you think they should apply in that situation
as well?? <br>
<br>
I find it very strange you lump "insulting remarks" in with
"threatening remarks" considering the content of some of your and other
liberal lemmings' posts. No chastisement for being insulting
there, eh? Simply another example of "It's OK if I do it, but you
better not." But maybe that's just me. <br>
<br>
And feel free to say anything you want in response to hate speech,
although I'm not exactly sure what that is. Was Rose Huskey's
"Nest of Pests" rambling hate speech? Certainly no overt threats
I could see. Kind of filled with insults though. I guess
it's one of those I-can't-define-it-but-I-know-it-when-I-hear-it
/ read-it sort of thing. <br>
<br>
And it's never intolerant to speak out against hate speech, as far as
I'm concerned. What's intolerant is when some are given a pass on
it, and others are not.<br>
<br>
GS<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/6/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Joe Campbell</b> <<a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Dr. Schwaller,<br><br>It is fine with me if you'd like to continue to play my-name-is-not-<br>Doug. I find it VERY strange but maybe that's just me.<br><br>For the record, if you use my words to support your views, please
<br>get it right. I said that "there is no such thing as an 'unfettered'<br>right," including free speech, but that has little to do with the<br>recent protest downtown.<br><br>I didn't want to protest in front of the Kenworthy because it seemed
<br>rude and pointless, not because I thought that such protest was not<br>protected by the first amendment. The only time that I think that<br>free speech should be fettered is when it leads to harm: slander,<br>crying 'fire,' etc. My comments were quite unrelated to the recent
<br>protest.<br><br>Also, since you read my last town crier I wonder if you read one of<br>my earlier ones on the paradox of intolerance. To criticize someone<br>who defends the death and exile of gays, or someone who partakes in
<br>revisionism about slavery, is not to be intolerant. Neither of these<br>is an example of mere opinion. Perhaps you don't have any gay or<br>black friends, so it is of no concern to you when others use<br>threatening or insulting speech toward them. But I'm always going to
<br>say something in response to hate speech. And if you can tell me WHY<br>that is intolerant instead of just saying it is, I'd appreciate it!<br><br>-- Joe Campbell<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:45:09 -0700
<br>From: "Glenn Schwaller" <<a href="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com">vpschwaller@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest<br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com
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<br><br>>So, we have established that you specifically think that it's fine to<br>>show up to Head of Household meetings and shout down whoever happens<br>>to be speaking, right?<br><br>No, I don't think "we" have established that at all. In fact if you will
<br>read my post carefully, you will see I made absolutely no such suggestion.<br>I wasn't at Friday's anti Trinity Fest rally, so I don't know if speakers<br>were shouted down or not. I hope not. I have no problem with civil,
<br>orderly protests, marches, or individuals speaking out for or against<br>groups, causes, whatever. If someone chooses to protest Trinity Fest - go<br>for it! Just be aware of and respect the boundaries (remember Dr Joe
<br>counsels us that "there is no such thing as an 'unfettered' right" including<br>Free Speech).<br><br>All I was pointing out is I found the choice of places for organizing the<br>protest to be amusing. No more, no less.
<br><br>As far as Moscow's (or any community's) Gay populace - they can live<br>anywhere they want. Polygamists too, for that matter.<br><br>As Teeriffic would say "Enough Said" eh?<br><br>GS<br><br><br>
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