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No, Gary, your ease-of-search experience does not refute my pious contention that Christ Church has been terribly reticent in discussing its views on homosexuality and the death penalty -- as a single issue. Not "on homosexuality," and then, "on the death penalty," but on "the death penalty as a possible punishment for homosexuality." You work in a field that requires exactitude and specificity; why you're content with deception and evasion posing as a legitimate virtue is beyond me.<br><br>I only ask that Wilson, et al, not feign bewilderment when they're accused of teaching ugly and divisive doctrine, and then ask us to accept their convoluted explanations just because they're spoken in English, employ biting wit, or come from the lips of a clergymember or elder. In other words, say what you mean, mean what you say, and take the flack and the accolades that follow.<br><br>Pretty simple, eh?<br><br>keely<br><br><br><br>"Were I to be again reduced to the chains of slavery, next to that enslavement, I should regard being the slave of a religious master the greatest calamity that could befall me. For of all slaveholders whom whom I have ever met, religious slaveholders re the worst. I have ever found the meanest and basest, the most cruel and cowardly, of all others. It was my unhappy lot not only to belong to a religious slaveholder, but to live in a community of such religionists." Frederick Douglass, abolitionist, feminist, and former slave<br><br><br><span style="font-style: italic;"></span><br><br><br>> From: jampot@roadrunner.com<br>> To: ophite@gmail.com<br>> CC: kjajmix1@msn.com; lfalen@turbonet.com; joekc@adelphia.net; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest<br>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:38:01 -0700<br>> <br>> Mr. Schou asks as though there were sinister implications to the answer:<br>> <br>> Gary, who's been feeding you these links?<br>> <br>> Why would any "feeding" be required? C/A is available online free of charge.<br>> <br>> Wilson's blog is there for all to see. It has an excellent search function.<br>> <br>> Cannon Press has a complete listing of available materials for your pleasure <br>> on their website.<br>> <br>> I hope that this answers your burning question. It was the work of but a few <br>> moments to obtain the references I listed in my post. My question for you <br>> would be why would it matter? The simple fact that they exist seems to <br>> effectively rebut the assertion that CC is " terribly reticent to discuss <br>> its views on the death penalty for homosexuals."<br>> <br>> g<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite@gmail.com><br>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com><br>> Cc: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1@msn.com>; "lfalen" <lfalen@turbonet.com>; <br>> "Joe Campbell" <joekc@adelphia.net>; <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:16 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trinity Festival protest<br>> <br>> <br>> >> Before swallowing Mix, Campbell, Schou, and others of their ilk's <br>> >> breathless<br>> >> assertions one would be well advised to go to the source and review what <br>> >> has<br>> >> actually been said. Since Ms. Mix mentions Credenda/Agenda one might do <br>> >> well<br>> >> to start there. Please see Volume 16 number 2. The entire issue is <br>> >> devoted<br>> >> to the topic and nowhere will you see any evidence of the claims made by<br>> >> CC's usual antagonists. After dealing with that disappointment one might <br>> >> go<br>> >> to Doug Wilson's own personnel blog and read entries on 06/01/05 and<br>> >> 08/30/05, the latter specifically and in detail speaking to the <br>> >> ridiculous<br>> >> notion expressed by our resident propagandists. And finally for the <br>> >> reading<br>> >> challenged, one can listen to Wilson in his very own voice speak to the<br>> >> topic on the Cannon Press CD "The Sin of Homophobia" lecture C 03/31/04.<br>> ><br>> > Yes, Gary. Why don't we review what's been said:<br>> ><br>> > Slavery is a sin. Slavery is not a sin.<br>> ><br>> > The Civil War unjustly crushed the South. The Civil War was the<br>> > judgment of an angry God on a corrupt society.<br>> ><br>> > Homosexuality should be punished with death. Homosexuality should not<br>> > be punished with death. Homosexuality should be punished with exile.<br>> > Gay marriage is wrong. Gay marriage is the judgment of an angry God on<br>> > the United States.<br>> ><br>> > The United States should be ruled according to Mosaic law now. The<br>> > United States should not be ruled according to Mosaic law yet. The<br>> > United States should only be ruled according to Mosaic law when<br>> > Americans are ready to be ruled according to Mosaic law.<br>> ><br>> > Lying is wrong. "Covenental lying," i.e. "lying to those outside the<br>> > church," is an exception.<br>> ><br>> > We consider Moscow a "tactical point." We do not consider Moscow a<br>> > "tactical point." We don't know what you're talking about.<br>> ><br>> > We consider ourselves Christian Reconstructionists. We don't consider<br>> > ourselves Christian Reconstructionists.<br>> ><br>> > Poor Doug Wilson, always being misinterpreted -- and always stuck<br>> > between appeasing his local critics and not upsetting the<br>> > mouth-breathing racists who buy his books.<br>> ><br>> > Also, Gary, who's been feeding you these links?<br>> ><br>> > -- ACS<br>> > <br>> <br>> <br><br /><hr />Messenger Café — open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. <a href='http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_AugWLtagline' target='_new'>Visit now.</a></body>
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