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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Scott,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Snopes and the urban legends site act as though the
information that Pat posted just appeared anonymously out of thin air in an
effort to make your teen age fantasy look bad. Check out:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://home.earthlink.net/~american_families/id37.html"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>http://home.earthlink.net/~american_families/id37.html</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike Benge appears to be only too willing to put
his name and reputation on the line to make sure that Hanoi Jane's exploits are
not buried under a weak apology and a Barbara Walters white wash.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You might also Google Vietnam vets on Jane Fonda
and see if you find many loving remembrances.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As to Barbarella, I guess you had to have seen it
young. I first saw the movie when I was in my late twenties, nearly
two decades after it first came out. I was sure that the homeliest
stripper I had ever seen in the San Diego dive bars was head and shoulders
(and all those other parts) better looking. More wholesome in overall
appearance and more refined in their comportment. Probably less likely to give
you a nasty burning sensation when you shake hands with Mr. Johnson as
well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Scott Dredge" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:sdredge@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>sdredge@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:51 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: SHE REALLY WAS A
TRAITOR!!</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> g.<BR>> <BR>> Snopes is only one data point. Check out
several others to get a perspective (always a good idea) and then form your own
opinion. Snopes is OK. I like the urban legend site more. Here's the
link.<BR>> <BR>> </FONT><A
href="http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399.htm"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399.htm</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> <BR>> Jane Fonda was sizzling hot in
Barbarella.<BR>> <BR>> -Scott<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message
----<BR>> From: g. crabtree <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>> To:
Carl Westberg <</FONT><A href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>carlwestberg846@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>; </FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Sent:
Friday, August 3, 2007 7:06:07 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: SHE
REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!<BR>> <BR>> Snopes.com is often put forward in this
forum as the definitive last word on <BR>> all matters of disputable fact. A
thing to keep in mind is that the site is <BR>> not run by some all knowing,
all powerful deity, it is run by Dave & Barb <BR>> Mikkelson, a web
programmer and housewife respectively who live in the Los <BR>> Angeles area
and they have been show on several occasions to allow their <BR>> decidedly
liberal slant to be displayed on their site. While snopes may be <BR>> fine
for arbitrating the odd alligators in the sewer myth or claims of <BR>>
exploding household products, when it comes to matters touching on the <BR>>
political one would do well to keep their gullibility on a short leash.<BR>>
<BR>> All that aside why would anyone need additional reasons to despise Jane
<BR>> Fonda? Snopes or no snopes there is no question that what she did in
Viet <BR>> Nam was despicable and that she is indeed a traitor to her
country. Hell, On <BR>> Golden Pond and Agnes of God would be reason enough
to vilify her.<BR>> <BR>> g<BR>> <BR>> P.S. Barbarella was probably
her finest work and if that isn't damning her <BR>> with faint praise I don't
know what is.<BR>> <BR>> g<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: "Carl Westberg" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>carlwestberg846@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 1:46 PM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Fw: SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>
</FONT><A href="http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>><BR>>><BR>>>>From: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>pkraut@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>To: </FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: SHE REALLY WAS A
TRAITOR!!<BR>>>>Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 20:35:28
GMT<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> > This incident is new to
me...does anyone else know if it is really <BR>>>> >
true?<BR>>>>I agree she was awful but I didn't know this
one.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > Joan Million<BR>>>> >
</FONT><A href="mailto:jmillion1@earthlink.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jmillion1@earthlink.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>> > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>> > Sent: 7/30/2007 9:09:47 AM<BR>>>> >
Subject: Fw: SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!<BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> >
-------Original Message-------<BR>>>> > -----<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > Subject: Fw:
SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!<BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > Just a reminder of who she really
is!!!!!<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > SHE REALLY WAS A
TRAITOR!!<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > In Memory
of<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > my brother -in- law<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > LT. C.Thomsen Wieland<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > IF YOU NEVER
FORWARDED<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE
FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!!<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > She really is a traitor<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED<BR>>>> >
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA<BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > This is for all the kids born in the 70's who
do<BR>>>> > not remember, and didn't have to bear
the<BR>>>> > burden that our fathers, mothers and
older<BR>>>> > brothers and sisters had to bear.<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > Jane Fonda is being honored as
one of the<BR>>>> > "100 Women of the Century."<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > BY BARBRA WALTERS<BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > Unfortunately, many have forgotten and
still<BR>>>> > countless others have never known how
Ms.<BR>>>> > Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our
country,<BR>>>> > but specific men who served and
sacrificed<BR>>>> > during Vietnam<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > The first
part of this is from an F-4E pilot.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > The pilot's name is Jerry
Driscoll, a River Rat.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > In 1968, the former Commandant of the
USAF<BR>>>> > Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo
Prison<BR>>>> > the "Hanoi Hilton."<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > Dragged from
a stinking cesspit of a cell,<BR>>>> > cleaned, fed, and dressed in
clean PJ's, he was<BR>>>> > ordered to describe for a visiting
American<BR>>>> > "Peace Activist" the "lenient and
humane<BR>>>> > treatment" he'd received.<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and
was<BR>>>> > dragged away.<BR>>>> > During the
subsequent beating, he fell forward<BR>>>> > on to the camp
Commandant 's feet, which<BR>>>> > sent that officer
berserk.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > In 1978, the Air Force Colonel
still suffered from<BR>>>> > double vision (which permanently ended
his<BR>>>> > flying career) from the Commandant's
frenzied<BR>>>> > application of a wooden baton.<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > >From
1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the<BR>>>> > 47FW/DO
(F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the<BR>>>> > "Hanoi Hilton",,,
the first three of which his<BR>>>> > family only knew he was
"missing in action".<BR>>>> > His wife lived on faith that he was
still alive.<BR>>>> > His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed
and<BR>>>> > clothed routine in preparation for a<BR>>>>
> "peace delegation" visit.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > They, however, had time and devised a plan
to<BR>>>> > get word to the world that they were
alive<BR>>>> > and still survived. Each man secreted a
tiny<BR>>>> > piece of paper, with his Social Security
Number<BR>>>> > on it, in the palm of his hand.<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > When paraded before Ms. Fonda and
a<BR>>>> > cameraman, she walked the line, shaking
each<BR>>>> > man's hand and asking little
encouraging<BR>>>> > snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you
bombed<BR>>>> > babies?" and "Are you grateful for the
humane<BR>>>> > treatment from your benevolent
captors?"<BR>>>> > Believing this HAD to be an act, they
each<BR>>>> > palmed her their sliver of paper.<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > She took them all without missing
a beat. At the<BR>>>> > end of the line and once the camera
stopped<BR>>>> > rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the
POWs,<BR>>>> > she turned to the officer in charge and
handed<BR>>>> > him all the little pieces of paper.<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > Three men
died from the subsequent beatings.<BR>>>> > Colonel Carrigan was
almost number four<BR>>>> > but he survived, which is the only
reason we<BR>>>> > know of her actions that day.<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > I was a civilian economic development
advisor<BR>>>> > in Vietnam , and was captured by the
North<BR>>>> > Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam
in<BR>>>> > 1968, and held prisoner for over 5
years.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > I spent 27 months in solitary
confinement; one<BR>>>> > year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one
year<BR>>>> > in a "black box" in Hanoi .<BR>>>> > My
North Vietnamese captors deliberately<BR>>>> > poisoned and murdered
a female missionary, a<BR>>>> > nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me
Thuot, South<BR>>>> > Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near
the<BR>>>> > Cambodian border.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
> At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.<BR>>>> > (My normal
weight is 170 lbs.)<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
> We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."<BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked
by<BR>>>> > the camp communist political officer if I
would<BR>>>> > be willing to meet with her.<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > I said yes,
for I wanted to tell her about the real<BR>>>> > treatment we POWs
received... and how<BR>>>> > different it was from the treatment
purported by<BR>>>> > the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her
as<BR>>>> > "humane and lenient."<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > Because of this, I spent three days on a
rocky<BR>>>> > floor on my knees, with my arms
outstretched<BR>>>> > with a large steel weights placed on my
hands,<BR>>>> > and beaten with a bamboo cane.<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > I had the opportunity to meet with Jane
Fonda<BR>>>> > soon after I was released. I asked
her<BR>>>> > if she would be willing to debate me on
TV.<BR>>>> > She never did answer me.<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > These
first-hand experiences do not exemplify<BR>>>> > someone who should
be honored as part<BR>>>> > of "100 Years of Great
Women."<BR>>>> > Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great
Women"<BR>>>> > should never include a traitor whose hands
are<BR>>>> > covered with the blood of so many
patriots.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > There
are few things I have strong visceral<BR>>>> > reactions to, but
Hanoi Jane's participation in<BR>>>> > blatant treason, is one of
them.<BR>>>> > Please take the time to forward to as
many<BR>>>> > people as you possibly can.<BR>>>> > It
will eventually end up on her computer and<BR>>>> > she needs to
know that we will never forget.<BR>>>> > RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt,
USAF<BR>>>> > 716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of<BR>>>>
> Maintenance<BR>>>> > DSN: 875-6431<BR>>>> > COMM:
883-6343<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO<BR>>>>
> EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF<BR>>>> > ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE
THIS MAYBE HER<BR>>>> > STATUS WILL CHANGE<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
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