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How do either of you reconcile your fact-based religion with faith? If
there turns out to be no non-biblical historical record that Jesus was
resurrected, does that mean that you would stop believing it? If faith
is required, then how can it be fact-based? If faith is required, then
why criticize others for a religion based on emotion and hope? How is
faith different than emotion or hope? If faith has to be "rooted in
fact", then doesn't it cease to be faith?<br>
<br>
The reason I suggest "non-biblical" historical records is that trying
to use the books of the Bible to prove the existence of Jesus is a
little like using the books of Harry Potter to prove the existence of
Albus Dumbledore. An objective source that talks about the
resurrection of Jesus would be helpful. I'm not a historian - for all
I know there may be tens of thousands of such accounts, but what if
they were shown to be forgeries or something? Would that affect the
level of your belief?<br>
<br>
Does Doug Farris really know that much about "all other religions",
anyway? Is
there no historical basis for the prophets of Islam (peace be upon
them), for example?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
keely emerinemix wrote:
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I believe that Christianity is based on evidence of the existence,
deity, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, but I also believe that
a defense of Christianity from Doug Farris is a little like a defense
of sharpened math skills from former Enron CEO Ken Lay.<br>
<br>
keely<br>
(who is so techno-inept that it's taken her an hour to figure out how
to log onto her computer while in Canada)<br>
<br>
<span style="font-style: italic;">"And these women that you spit on
as they try to change their worlds/</span><br
style="font-style: italic;">
<span style="font-style: italic;">Are immune to your consultations .
. . they're quite aware of what they're going through"</span><br>
(With apologies to David Bowie)<br>
<br>
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> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>
> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net">heirdoug@netscape.net</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:51:53 -0700<br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mere Christianity!<br>
> <br>
> "As more and more heathens 'choose' to not have children the
number of Godly<br>
> souls will increase. If the number of Christian births out number
the number<br>
> of Islamic births the battle will be over in 3 or 4 generations."<br>
> <br>
> - Doug "No-Clue" Farris (March 10, 2007)<br>
> <br>
> Kinda gives you that old-time Christian, warm, fuzzy feeling,
doesn't it,<br>
> Joe?<br>
> <br>
> Please continue, No-Clue. We're listening.<br>
> <br>
> Tom "Born Again Pagan" Hansen<br>
> Moscow, Idaho<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> <br>
> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>
> On Behalf Of <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net">heirdoug@netscape.net</a><br>
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:39 PM<br>
> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Mere Christianity!<br>
> <br>
> Joe,<br>
> <br>
> Is this the sum total of your understanding. ..."something more
than <br>
> mere religious beliefs; maybe they are based on facts rather than <br>
> emotion. "<br>
> <br>
> Do you think and/or believe that one who has mere religious
beliefs is <br>
> fuctioning on emotion and not facts? Then you truly are mislead
because <br>
> the Christian faith is based upon nothing but facts, ie Jesus died
and <br>
> was buried and was raised from the dead on the third day. These
are not <br>
> based upon feelings and emotion. These three things are based upon
<br>
> facts. eye witness accounts of seeing Christ before during and
after <br>
> his death. All of the other religions of the world are based upon <br>
> feelings and emotion but not Christianity.<br>
> <br>
> Doug!<br>
>
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